Your right. The offense won us the Bills game. All brett has to do is throw on TD and we shouldn't lose. Gotcha. When favre is gone you will be to. Dont deny it.
I was at the phins board last week. If junc was there is was hard to notice since everyone there basically considers Chad the team MVP.
Ouchy we are not going to agree on this topic. But that is my exact point. They are happy they are 9-5 (even if their out of the playoffs right now). They got a new QB, it made SOME kind of difference and they are 9-5. Why can't we have a similar fanbase instead of looking into the past. WHO CARES, he's gone. You have a 9-5 team at the top of the division. Doesn't that excite you at all?
Ya it does. And I just re-read some of my posts and I didn't mean to be so mean spirited. I apologize for that. I understand how you feel. I hope we improve all around. We just see our QB situation differently.
And I already apologize in advance to Junc. I said I hate him at some point I think, lol. I don't mean that. I'm just frustrated that everyone's not on board and as excited as me. But I shouldn't think like that because everyone sees the game differently. But I still think that Favre hasn't done well the last few games but overall we are in a better position to win the SB than with Chad. I dont' think Chad can lead a team to the SB but thats just my opinion, maybe he'll prove me wrong and Favre will prove you two wrong.
At what point did I say Coles couldn't play? I was thinking ahead, thinking he may lose it soon which is why I said it may be time to explore moving him. When did I say Coles was a top WR this year? I understand reading comprehension isn't a strong point of yours but don't just throw out BS w/o reading and understanding the posts. Clearly early in the year our O wasn't good b/c Favre wasn't comfortable in the O, we scored 10 pts in that NE game. Chad knows this O inside and out. I am pretty confident we would have done a better job offensively had Chad still been here and we would have won. How do I explain Buf's other points? -1st INt sets up Buf at NYJ 37(14-10 NYJ) -2nd Buf TD started at NYJ 24 after great PR(17-14 Buf). --2nd FG result of Favre INt that gave Buf ball at NYJ 45(21-20 NYJ) That's 17 of Buf's points off TOs and bad FP from STs. In the 2nd half our vaunted offense put up THREE points and that 3 points came on a drive that started at the BUFFALO 20. I'm not wrong about the Favre trade regardless b/c Miami has half the talent we have and yet the same record thanks to Chad. I expected around 10 wins w/ Chad so unless we win these last 2 then get to the title game no I won't admit I was wrong. I have hoped to be wrong all year, during that 5 game streak I was ready and happy to admit it but we have stunk the last 3 weeks. Miami was 1-15 a year ago and expected to win 5-6 games. We were 4-12 last year but w/ all our moves we were expected to be a playoff contender. Favre hasn't elevated us. We have been an every other year team since 2002, we were a playoff team just 2 years ago. Miami hasn't even been in the playoff race in week 17 since 2002 and hasn't made the postseason since 2001. The expectations were just a little different. Don't confuse my questioning and my frustrations w/ the Fvare trade as me not being on board. There's nothing more I want than wins and I don't care who the QB is. Favre hasn't been playing well and neither has our team, I'm frustrated. I'm happy we are still in 1st but I am not satisfied.
lol junc it's the fukin defense look, we've had 4 games where we scored under 20 points, we lost all 4. miami and your great chad has had 8 games where they scored less than 20 points, 8 games....and they're 5-3. their defense is winning them games, ours is not. blame favre all you want but our d is more of a concern. maybe we should try favre at lb then u can really blame him for everything.
and how bout this since chad has 0 talent around him. 5 games this year chad had thrown for 0 tds, what is the phins record in those games? 4-1. im sorry but the dolphins d is helping alot, and so are their rbs. sure chad is helping them, but i think your love for him is taking away from what the rest of their team and their cs is doing.
Their team and CS is doing exactly what Hackett did with Chad. Low risk ball, long drives and let the other team make the big error. A great way for a mediocre team looking to get an identity to get wins under their belt and compete in a rather mediocre league. It's exactly what Parcells did with us after our 1 & 15 season. Once the Dolphins have inspired confidence in the team and gotten enough talent in place Chad will be replaced with the young gun who can exploit the entire field or a veteran who Parcells believes can exploit the field and be reigned and give them an opportunity to win the big one. The Dolphins are using the same formula we did in 97. Chad is a great stop gap for that team and is doing exactly what they need him to do. Favre on the other hand was brought in here to give us a chance to win now with a playoff ready team. Big risk and frankly Favre has not done as good a job for us as Chad has for Miami. The need and expectations are not the same and Favre needs to step it up now. If he does than this will all be worth it. If he doesn't we blow it up and start with a new QB next year. Chad did not fit the need for this team, Favre was a gamble. So far he hasn't shown that he can take this team deep into the playoffs, but he also hasn't failed yet. I'm hoping this team gets a few breaks and starts playing like a real contender and makes a run. So far nothing I have seen leads me to believe we can however I'm not convinced that there is a real dominate team in the league this year? Time will tell. If you love Chad, you can make the argument that he has outplayed Favre to date. I don't think that's relevant to our situation. I also see Favre as a total mercenary so I understand not really loving him if he fails. On the other hand if he succeeds, he will certainly deserve to be looked on as Messier is looked on by Ranger fans. What seems to be the real problem bugging certain people is that some Jets fans seem to want Chad to succeed and Favre to fail. That may well have more to do with results and frustration than a real agenda? Hard to tell.
Well it would be between him and Porter but it's not even close, Chad is easily the team MVP. The sacks are nice don't get me wrong, but if we had Beck or Henne in there instead of Chad we would have been out of the playoff race weeks ago. Bottom line Chad doesn't lose us games. You can make the argument that he's not the best in the World of winning one for you(which btw, hasn't been the case with him for us, he's come through on drives when we needed him), but he also doesn't put you in a situation where you need him to come back. I'll take that
I think I'm finally begining to understand where the Chad division started for you guys. I hope to god they don't do this. Why screw around with rookies when you have a more than capable QB to win for you. Henne the unproven rookie over Chad the proven winner? I can see why the so called "Chad lovers" were so against starting Clemens.
The D has been better than the O this year overall despite the recent struggles. You cannot dismiss the fact that our O has given up 35 points and our D has scored 42. That is a 77 point swing! Our 4 games scoring under 20 pts: We have turned it over 7 times and are -4 in TO ratio. In Miami's 5 in scoring under 20: They turned it over 3 times and were +2. Miami is not turning it over, they are not putting the D in bad spots. If we were doing that we'd have at least 2 more wins and the division clinched battling for the top seed. He helped get them in position to score TDs. He wasn't tyring to pad his stats like favre at SD or vs. Arizona. His #s come from meaningful situations. Obviously the Miami D is playing well but their O is not putting them in abd spots like our O continus to do on a weekly basis. We have forced 5 more turnovers yet we are +2 while Miami is +12. Think about that for a second. Favre alone has accounted for nearly double the amount of TOs Miami as a team has had.
Back on topic for a moment, my "take" is this. I said the Buffalo game would be a deathmatch and it was. Given that the Jets are 0-3 on the WC and playing like shit, this Sunday just might be this team's Waterloo. I think the last time we won in Seattle, Vinny was the QB and we got our mystery TD. '98 wasn't it?
And you arent winning a SB w/ Favre at QB either... So was trading away draft picks for a 1 year rental at QB that wont get you to the SB the "right move"? I dont see it...
Is there any way that the Jets can get Favre to wear Vinny's helmet from that game? It scored the TD for the Jets that day so maybe it will bring good karma.
That Seattle game was at home. The last time we played at Seattle was 1997 and we won 41-3. We have only lost to Seattle one time since 1985 and it was a 17-10 loss in week 2 at the Kingdome in 1991. The series is a strange one b/c Seattle owned it early winning our first 7 meetings but we have won 8 of the last 9 including the last 5 in a row.
