You make good points, but you don't have to consistently be a douche when someone has opposing opinions right or wrong. also the thing about him being 28 or 29 when the season starts doesn't matter. It's not like someone hits all of your joints with a hammer for your birthday. 27 and 30, yes big difference. 28 and a half versus a just turned 29, c'mon broseph. Picking up Asomugha for a fair price would be great this year, but I'm perfectly content with building up the team through the draft if it means trading down as well.
Lowery trade was a simple age example and you failed to understand a simple point. Lets not go back and forth on this please. It probably will take more than one example for you to understand anyways. Why, excuse my language, the fuck are you worried about the team trading AWAY the player? Aren't we talking about trading FOR a player? No body trades away Brady unless of course you have someone like Young sitting behind you. But thats not even the point. So I made assumptions that Lito, Ghost and Jones 'might' get released and/or Rhodes 'might' get traded, and you said Im assuming too much, even though that shit has been reported all over the media. You are claiming that Kyle Wilson WILL fall to us and WILL become a part of our phenomenal CB pair for a decade. Great. Like I said...Mr. Know It All but isn't ready to accept others maybe more 'realistic' assumptions. As for the bust comments, I was simply talking about the risk involved. Draft picks are ALWAYS uncertain, but an accomplished player isn't uncertain as far as talent and skills are concerned. Health is a different issue, before you even bring that up. So one player makes it a Madden/Pro Bowl roster? How smart. If it does, Im all for it. Apparently, we have been giving up MULTIPLE draft picks for one player lately. Its not new and it has worked out pretty good so far, keeping us more than relavant. Yes, we have pressing needs and CB is ONE of them. Like I said, he would be 29 at the start of the season but being 28 right now and 29 at the start of the season is a difference of about a football season. You called me out saying I need to check my facts. Fact is, Nnamdi is 28 right now. Not that you were wrong either. Lets not go back and forth on this one either. i can't help it if you disagree with several fans.
Look....if we get Asomugha I will fuck my own face, youtube it, and post it on TGG with the thread title "Worlds Biggest Homo Fucks His Face"
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: I haven't laughed at a post on TGG like this in awhile.. Sincerely, Thank you..
Almost made it. After that post I fell asleep in a sitting position, with my laptop on my lap and justin.tv blaring. Work really sucks today to say the least...
I'm going to take issue with this statement. Clinton Portis was worth substantially more than a 1st round pick when he was traded to the Redskins after his 1st two season. He probably was worth two #1's at that point. He'd set all kinds of records in his first two seasons with the Broncos and looked to be headed for a Barry Sanders type career. My guess is that both sides internally valued Champ Bailey at two #1's as the premier cornerback in football at the time and that they had more trouble valuing Clinton Portis, who was younger and doing things that very few backs before him had approached, and that's where the extra pick to Denver came in.
Although I strongly doubt this happens, Mr. T would be crazy not to atleast try and make this happen. If Oakland is looking for a 1st this year and a conditional 2011 pick, I'd do it in a heart beat if he agrees to restructure his deal.
Clinton Portis put up numbers similar to what AP had in his first two seasons. Im pretty sure AP would be worth more than a 1st rounder right now, possibly two as you stated.
i mean you know mr. T is definitely kicking the tires and talking numbers. i think there is a .000001% chance this happens though. too many events have to occur to get this deal done. too bad we arent loaded with receivers that have 3 names and sick 40 times, or else the deal gets done by the end of the week.:beer:
At that time, there was a lot of talk about how Denver was able to plug pretty much anyone into their backfield and they would gain at least a 1000 yards - I think that kind of hurt Portis' trade value. Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, etc. None of them was ever a shadow of Terrell Davis, but with that blocking scheme, they always broke loose. I remember a lot of writers talking about how the Redskins got fleeced in that trade.
Mmmm I'm not sure where you got that from my post. I can be hungover from the night before at work... Good to see a lot of this Aso talk has passed. Actually now that I think about it, we have beer Fridays at work. My COO gets a couple 12 packs and we play foosball the last hour and a half or so of work. Thanks GQ for making me realize I have a pretty sweet job
Sure we don't have WRs with three names, but we have a clown that can run a 40 in couple of seconds. U pair him up with JaMarcus and Raiders can rule the air in the NFL for a whole decade. If Tanny can sell that, Al might even hand us his 2012 1st along with Aso...
Stop rubbing it in Jack! Some of us have to make sense out of bunch of numbers...u know like the Matrix shit, just not as insane. :beer:
What was that? No, I got it. It is a terrible comparison. There are plenty of 25 year old CBs in the league, not all of them are up to the talent level of Asomugha. Comparing a nickel back on one team to the #1 CB on another team is a terrible comparison. A 25 year old Champ Bailey would be a better comparison. Another team trading for Revis would be a could comparison. The Jets trading for Leon Hall would be a better comparison. You want to argue for an available player, come up with an example that is actually realistic instead of just pulling one out of your ass. When the Hell did I say you were assuming too much here? If anything you were assuming too much that the Jets were a CB and LB away from the Super Bowl which was far from the case. Look at our depth, we have none. Greene went down in the AFCC and our running game stalled completely. 3/5 of our starters on the OLine will be at least 30 next season. All 3 of our projected starters on the DLine are going to be 31 at least, and if Jenkins goes down we have a 31 year old backup in Pouha that we have to move over from DE. If we keep giving up multiple draft picks for one player, the team is going to be in depth trouble and financial trouble. Also, Tannebaum has not given up a first round pick for a single player outside of trading up in the draft. Jenkins was a 3rd and 5th. Edwards was a 3rd, a 5th, and two depth players. We need to restock our backups.
Dude, I've seen some of the other things you've posted, but I think this is the "mistake heard 'round the world" in that your questionable logical leaps begin here. The Jets are NOT a CB and LB away from a championship. 2009 was a great year for the Jets. Having said that, you delude yourself if you think this year is par for the course. There is a reason every credible NFL analyst (and poster on this board) says the Jets need to bring in depth at this point. To be blunt, the Jets have shit depth right now. If not for the rotational combo of DeVito and Pouha suddenly being impressive (theretofore they had not been) and Shawn Greene's emergence/Jones having amazing durability for the HB position, the Jets might not make the playoffs and certainly don't make any hay against the Bengals and Chargers. The Jets have crap depth. If Braylon/Cotch goes down you are relying on Brad Smith as a #2 and the clown as a slot WR. Don't even get me started on the OL depth. The Jets have as much high end talent as any roster in the league, the weakness of this roster is in the lack of depth. This is what happens when your GM routinely trades away draft picks; even if he brings in great talent in doing so, you still end up with less depth than you might otherwise have had. Nmandi is going to take at least a 1st round pick to bring in. The Jets need that 1st rounder. I know you've said in other posts that 29th is a high risk of being a bust, but look at the talent you can take there (here are all the picks from 29-35). I'll bold guys how are effective/appear very promising 2009: Hakeek Nicks, Kenny Brit, Beanie Wells, James Laurinitis Also: Ziggy Hood 2008: Dustin Keller, Brandon Flowers, Kenny Phillips Also: Kentwan Balmer, Philip Merling I don't really want to go on here, you get the idea. You can damn good players even after 29. In fact, you can frequently find good offensive lineman at that spot. Considering Fancea and Woody are old, that might be a good selection for Tanny to make. Nmandi would also demand a lot of money. Revis is negotiating for his new deal now and will be making in the 8 million a year neighborhood. Nmandi would want roughly the same AT LEAST. You can't tie up 16 million a year on your top two CBs, even if they would be "the best CB duo in NFL history." Now, I'm sure your asking what some of the team's needs I am alluding to are. RB: Greene has shown a propensity to get nicked up and Leon can't take 20+ carries a game with consistency. WR: I actually did cover that one. OL: Did that too, I'm on a roll! DL: The majority of the players there are old and Jenkins is coming off an injury. LB: The OLB depth involves Gholston, this is bad. The ILB depth is young and unproven (Westerman and Cummings). You get the idea. This year was a great year for the Jets, but don't fool yourself into believing the team has arrived and will now compete for the AFC title each year. If the injury bug had been more widespread, as opposed to intently focused, this year looks very different. Nmandi is nice to think about, but bringing him in is irresponsible for both financial and depth reasons.
I read this whole thread, and I was waiting for someone to finally mention this. Looking back, Denver got a #2 and Bailey. The #2 was blown on Bell, and Denver never had a RB after portis who was in the same league (1500ish yard seasons). Bailey played fairly well but has fallen off in recent years. I think Washington got the better deal out of the trade, even though they've been mired in mediocrity due to bad front office decisions. I'd love to see what Rex Ryan could do with Assmunch and Revis, but the trend in the NFL is toward 3,4 and 5 WR sets and a lot of passing rather than 2 WR sets. Consider the Pats. They've got Welker and Moss. Even if you shut them down, you still have to deal with Elderman (or whatever his name is). Same thing goes for the Colts. We might be better off drafting a few young CB's and picking one up in free agency than giving up a king's ransom for assmunch. All that said, if Assmunch wants to force a trade to the Jets and we have to give up minimal compensation, of course we should take it.
FriendlyGiantsFan, Jets had a very successful season last year, especially near the end of the season. Im not saying Jets will reach AFCCG every year from now on. Sure, they have needs. But last yr, we were 'probably' one solid CB, and a healthy LB/RB corp away from SB appearance. We do need DL and OL depth, maybe even a starter or too. But the same goes for CB. What do we favor more? Concern with DL and OL is not the talent, but mostly age. Concern with CB is talent. Trying to swing a trade for Aso is not insanity. Jenkins was 29 when traded for him and had his fair share of health concerns. Faneca was 31 when we signed him. Woody, 30. Faneca and Woody were not in their prime at the time, but still came over and started and have done pretty good. Jenkins may have been in his prime, and he has played pretty well for the Jets. Point is, Jets have taken their chances with players in their late 20s and there isn't much to believe they would shy away this time either. And Im not saying you will draft a bust at 29th overall. Im saying there is a risk involved. U wanna take that risk or do u want to go with a safer bet? Its a matter of opinion really. God forbid, if Revis went down instead of Jenkins, we would have been looking at drafting in the top ten. If we wanna talk about injuries, you can't disregard any position. I like your points and I agree with most of them anyways. CB is also a need. I don't want an OL in the first if we don't trade for a CB. With Lito and Strickland possibly leaving, CB has to be a 1st rounder (2nd if we draft a DL in 1st).
