That's fine that you disagree. That's what makes the world go around. We don't disagree as much as you think, however, especially since you said you'd like to see the Jets stay put at #6. I'm one of the biggest advocates you'll ever see of trading down, especially since Tanny threw so many draft picks away trading up, and both Idzik and he missed on so many draft picks they did make. That has left the Jets' cupboard pretty bare. We could definitely use more picks. If we got the right picks and could get the right players, the combination of multiple players over just one impact player could be greater. Often times, it is. Getting blown away by a trade offer from another team is a pipe dream, however. That kind of thing just doesn't happen to the Jets. It always happens to the team just above or below the Jets. There's a difference between "good" players and impact players. I think almost every good team has at least one impact player. Most certainly every great team does. We have none. While we're drafting this high, imo we need to add impact players on both sides of the ball if we can. If we build the roster with a bunch of "good" players we'll be good enough that we won't draft in the top 10-15, and unable to get any of those impact players unless we're either very good or very lucky in the draft. As you know, those impact players are harder to find out side the first round, if not the top 10. In addition, not every draft has as many impact players as this one does. I remember some drafts where GMs said that there were only really 4-5 players worthy of 1st round picks and/or who were impact players, and the Jets, as per their usual luck, were drafting just below that, so missed out on them. This draft has a lot of them. If we could trade down no more than 2-3 slots and still grab one of those impact players, fine; otherwise, unless we do get one of those dream trade down offers, I want them to stay put and get the best player they can. While they could possibly trade down a little further and still get one of those players, I'd rather they have a choice as to which one they get. Don't forget that other teams might seek to trade up ahead of the Jets as well. If they stay put and take the BPA, the odds are overwhelmingly that it will match up with a position of need on the Jets. I think there are 11 impact players in this draft. That's almost unheard of. They are Garrett, Allen, Solomon Thomas, Hooker, Adams, Foster, Howard, Cook, Fournette, and Williams. Depending upon the Combine and private workouts, several others could zoom up the rankings, especially the QBs. I expect that Garrett, Hooker, Allen, 1 or 2 of the QBs and probably Thomas will go before the Jets pick. If they stay put at #6, they could have a choice between Adams, Howard, Cook, Fournette and Williams. Any one of those players would or at least could fill a Jets need. If Adams is limited to SS, then he wouldn't, unless the Jets are planning to move on from Pryor following the upcoming season. While RBs are not a great value that high, and I'd rather they not take a RB at #6, nevertheless, it would fill a need. If they trade down, they could miss out on all of those players, including Deshaun Watson (if they like him), but could still get a very good player. At #6 I'd definitely stay put if the Jets could get Garrett or Hooker. If Barnett or Deshaun Watson are ranked that high and the Jets like either, then I'd rather the Jets stay put and take one of them as well. Adams could change the attitude and play of our D. I would definitely include him as well, but my only hesitation is that we already have Pryor. If Pryor can play as he did in 2015, then we should keep him and look to address other positions, but if the Jets are thinking of moving on from Pryor, then I'd definitely stay put and take Adams at #6 if none of the other players that I like and mentioned above are there. If Garrett, Hooker, Adams, Barnett or Watson aren't there or if the Jets don't like the one that is there, then I would actually prefer that they trade down and add an additional pick or two.
It definitely does. They can be found lower down sometimes, but one either has to be very good, very lucky, or both! If they get a great trade down offer, then they probably should take it unless Garrett, Hooker, Watson, or possibly Barnett are there at #6. Even then, if they get blown away with a great offer (as if that would happen to the Jets), they probably should take it.
Ok, I see we're more or less on the same page. This draft is pretty deep so I think every team in the top 15 should have a shot at one of those impact-type players. At least 1-2 of them is going to take a QB though. I generally agree on the players you mentioned as the top talents available. I could live with any of them and it's a probability that one of them is a Jet come draft day.
I wouldn't mind trading back if there is a plan... if it just for the sake of getting more picks forget it and take an impact guy at #6. But if they have a plan and a few players they LOVE and feel they can get them by making a move to get the extra picks then DO IT!
Actually, I'm neither a pessimist nor an optimist. I try to be a realist, but on occasion I may be a lot more optimistic than normal, and on others I'm more pessimistic than normal. I think it depends upon the phase of the moon. LOL
Another reason to at least think about taking Howard is the almost 100% chance that Miami will take him if he falls that far. Do we really want this guy facing off against our slow linebackers and weak secondary twice a year?
I think there's a chance we end up with him. I see the comparisons to Jimmy Graham and I have to say no. Howard is a better blocker. Graham is more of a WR hybrid type, Howard is a classic TE. He is one tough dude across the middle. They didn't use him enough at Bama. I'll say a faster Jason Witten, I see they said Shannon Sharpe, thats a good comparison too although Howard is much bigger than Sharpe, but players in general were smaller back then so Sharpe seemed similar in size on the field by comparison.
TE used to be a luxury but I don't believe so anymore. TEs are becoming key cogs in many of these downfield passing offenses today. They are also a cheaper alternative to offensive playmakers as they make less than WRs. You find a stud TE and you can have a dynamic passing offense without breaking the bank. Brandon Marshall will make $7.5 million next year and that's considered pretty cheap for a top veteran WR. Even if O.J. Howard becomes the best TE in the NFL he might never get $7.5 million annually. The best TE in the NFL is going to do a lot more for your offense than a Brandon Marshall would. For that matter teams should stop thinking of TEs as luxury players.... but as long as they do, I would like our Jets to take advantage of that and be on the right side of the perception instead of the wrong side- - ie. playing top dollar for WRs while you trot out Kellen Davis at TE
You're right, but actually the TE never really went away, except in Jet Land. I've been completely baffled - and frustrated - by the Jets lack of use of the TE in their offense. Please don;t tell me that's because they didn't have anyone who could catch the ball! How would they have known? They never threw it to him! I still hold out hope they'll take Watson if he's there at #6, and also that Fournette or Cook would make more of a difference, but I'm starting to come around to the idea that Howard could make as much difference, and perhaps be even a safer bet. I certainly wouldn't be upset if they took him.
I'd be fine with drafting him at 6. Offensive player at a position of need... sign me up. I believe Vernon Davis went at #6 and OJ Howard is probably a better prospect. My hesitancy is that this franchise is just cursed when it comes to drafting Tight Ends.
Let's be honest, this franchise is cursed when drafting a lot of positions. D Linemen, yeah we can do that. Anything else, not so much.
If the comparisons are to two HOF TE's in Sharp and Tony G, we need to seriously consider him at 6. Would you rather have a HOF TE or a Pro Bowl LB or Safty? I want nothing to do with Watson at 6. Maybe in the 4th round. I don't see him being a very good pro. For me at 6 it's in this order Hooker Howard Foster
Assuming Howard is gone by the 2nd round I think a really solid pick up would be David Njoku. he's big, fast has good hands and he's a willing blocker( he might need to beef up a little more to block good at the next level though) but overall I really like his game. I'm not sure if he'll make it to the Jets 2nd round pick but if he does Mac should be all over him.
Have you seen him play? I haven't. I've read where one anonymous NFL scout said he has the most upside of any TE he's ever seen. I think I've also read that he's not a good blocker, so I don't know for certain. The on thing I'm certain of is that the Jets need a couple of TEs who are traditional 2-way TEs. They don't need TEs who can only function as receivers or blockers. That limits the offense and makes it too predictable for opposing Ds. I googled his nfl draft profile. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/david-njoku?id=2557986
Yeah I've seen him play and watched some tape on him receiving wise he's awsome. And yeah I wouldn't say he's a good blocker but he try to wich is half the battle lol. I think if he put a little weight on and improved his blocking he could be an absolute beast
