First off man look at our situation. No big time top coach wants to come here to run the team. We might be ableto get norv turner in here at best. Now would you rather have norv as our HC or OC? Because if rex was fired then norv would want to be our HC . Plain and simple is that our team has had success with ryan before and is not a horrible coach. He had no choice but to stay with that piece of garbage sanchez because of 2 things. 1. He got a nice payday by our former GM 2. No one else but G-mac was capable of running our O. 3. Bad OC. Tony is a horrible OC. He does not know how to call plays or adjust when he has to.
The Jets have handled it perfectly so far, and have got it right so far. It is very COMMON to retain the HC when a new GM comes in. Don't let the media non-sense fool you. Fuck the Giants just did it in 2007. That HC is usually on a short leash though, as evidenced by Lovie Smith being fired (a terrible move imo). A horrendous QB, terrible contracts, and offensive overhaul are the biggest challenge right now. They need to get the GM selection right, who will need to immediately figure out the QB, OC, and Revis strategies. And Amen to the media silence..
How is that a fallacy? You judge a head coach by his one losing year with our best players injured and you call it a trend? 2 winning seasons, 2 deep playoff runs in 4 years. Most coaches are lucky to even make the playoffs 40% of the time. Rex has done it in 50% of his years here. How many other coaches have made the playoffs 50% of their career? I bet you can't name more than a handful that have lucked into Elite QBs. :lol: 9-7, and a deep playoff run with a rookie QB isn't good? That's a winning record that at least 50% of the league doesn't even sniff during any given year in the NFL. Let me get this straight. We replace Brett Favre with a unproven, inexperienced rookie and get the same record, while the defense goes from mediocre to #1 in the league and that's just Rex coming along for the ride, right, without his own players... :lol: Again, Rex has only had ONE losing season, and it was with our 2 best players injured. The fact that you constantly ignore this point speaks volumes. You don't fire a coach who's only had 1 losing season. Complete downward spiral? We dropped off in 2011, when the talent from 2010 dropped off. You think that's a coincidence? Prove it. What distractions? You are assuming that the team pays any attention at all to media drama. How is it that in 2010 we won 11 games with the same distractions and media predictions etc. That's the funniest shit I've ever read on here. THE MEDIA caused our losses. :rofl: Huh? Bro, I'm sorry but every one of your points is personal opinion and completely baseless. Rex motivated other teams more than his own? Please prove that one. More baseless banter. Prove that Rex Ryan doesn't hold his team accountable. Is this because he defends them to the media? Oh, how terrible of a coach, to do that rather than to shit all over his team. That's what a REAL coach does, bashes his players to the media and blames them for everything that goes wrong. :lol: Where do you get off just assuming this to be true. What do you mean that Rex is soft on his players? I asked you this before and you ignored it. You aren't on the Jets staff and working practices with Rex, are you? If not, how do you know this to be true? Again, you are not following trends or anything detrimental to the team. In Rex's worst year, he's been the quietest. OOPS! Your argument about talking too much is irrelevant since 2010 Rex talked more than anybody and 100x more than he talked over the last 2 years, yet we played better. How did he lose the team this year? Please give me evidence that isn't based on anonymous speculation. This is another point you have made that is completely baseless. Yes, I'm saying proof or it didn't happen. You are assuming that he lost the locker room because of a poor record... but wait the poor record is because he lost the locker room right? Stop equating things that aren't true, life doesn't work like that. Most people in the locker room have said the team is much tighter this year than they've been in a while. "Once you lose the locker room it's virtually impossible to get it back". Really. Sounds like the rest of your points, based on nothing but speculation. They DID get the locker room back this year. You have no evidence whatsoever to suggest he lost the locker room or that he doesn't hold players accountable. NONE. Please don't respond unless you address exactly what I said, as I have done for you. Don't just sum it up in a few lines thinking you've won the argument. You have provided nothing at all to suggest Rex must go. Every single point you made was based on speculation or "anonymous sources". Sorry, but you have to do better than that. The Jets organization would be stupid to let Rex go.
you have no idea whether any GM candidates are opposed to Rex being the coach, so you have no idea whether it inhibits our search.
Then it's simple. Let those candidates go to Jacksonville,Carolina or San Diego. It's a 2 way street. If someone doesn't want to come here cause of the head coach who's one of the best defensive minds in the sport & who likely is here on a 1 year lease anyway...then they likely weren't a great fit anyway.
again, that is a baseless statement. GM's fire coaches not because they didn't pick them but because they don't believe they are the right man for the job, which is usually based on the team's performance. Rex's proven success can go either way, so there is nothing to believe the good majority of GM candidates would look at the last two seasons and believe he is a failure and completely discount the previous two. in fact, the argument could be made that the fault of the past two seasons were primarily the result of poor player personnel decisions, which is why said GM candidate is a candidate to begin with. so, there would be no need to fire Rex if the candidate is as qualified as they (or you) believe they are. they will correct the personnel problems and Rex will coach, and 2010 success is likely. your hypothetical leads to the logically consistent assertion that if the 49ers, the Packers or the Patriots all of a sudden were in need of a GM, the majority of candidates would not want the jobs because they did not hire Harbaugh, McCarthy or Belichick. that is an absurd scenario, but is what your position entails.
we are 5th in playoff apps, 4th in playoff wins. We ahve been one of the best teams. Outside of the 3 elite franchises we are right there though Baltimore is starting to seperate w/ these last 2 years. he's done much more good than bad in his time here though. If I had a choice I'd rather he go than Rex but I wanted both to stay. One of the reasons Belichick left us was instability, is he a good enough example for you? but it doesn't matter if others went on to other places and won or not. Herm won here, I never said stay w/ Coslet but we could have given Carroll more time, right? Mangini had success here and was a developing coach, he went to a worse situation in Cleveland- does that mean he wouldn't have had more success here? The problem is the cycle, new coach has success early then has a bad year so he is fired, next coach has success early then a bad year and is fired,... it never ends. Good organizations give their coaches time unless you really know a guy sucks but both rex and Mike have been successful in this league so we know neither sucks.
So who's to blame? Are we a good organization or are we not? I cant make sense of what youre trying to argue...youve said the Jets have had success yet they change coaches too often? You seem a bit homerish....the Jets offense has deteriorated from bad to unwatchable....theres a lot of fixing that needs to happen and idk why youd trust the ppl that let it get to this point to try and fix it,
we have been a good organization for the most part but we can't get over the hump b/c we keep starting over every 3-5 years. The O was unwatchable but that had more to do w/ 3 of our top guys on O missing for the bulk of the season than anything else. I trust the people that gave us a chance to reach multiple SBs, I'm sorry if that bothers you. by the way, Tannenbaum gets his share of the blame but that doesn't mean he should be fired. I guess 31 teams should fire their GM and HC every year if that is the criteria.
We've been going backwards for two years in a row...even with Revis and Holmes this team isnt close.... Rex and Tanny went all in for 2010 and there wasnt any long term plan... what is the direction of the Jets?
It's not about how many losing seasons he's had-the team has gone downhill talent wise and you blame it all on Tannenbaum. EVERY source possible says that Rex had as much input into the personnel as Tannenbaum did. Tannenbaum was recently exposed as having acceded to the opinion of his coach when making draft decisions. I can't "prove" this is true, just as you can't prove it's not. I can only use what information is given to me. I don't care about 50% of the league, I care about mine. I care about them winning a Super Bowl. I don't want to compare our "success" to the shitty teams. Who cares if we're better than the Browns or Jaguars as an organization? As for the defense, 2009 was the ONLY time it was an elite defense. You can point to stats, but watching games shows me that for all the high draft picks we've invested in defense, we're just a good defense. We took a step back defensively in 2010 and we've been just "pretty good" in the past two seasons. I know you'll point top 5 stats to discredit me, but I watch this team every week. The defense misses a LOT of tackles, gives up a LOT of big plays that originate around the line of scrimmage because the linebackers are so slow, hardly ever pressure the QB and most of all, give up a TON of big 3rd and long plays. I can't "prove" this without spending hours breaking down game tape, and I"m not doing that. So you think that Santonio Holmes would have made that much of a difference this year? Would Sanchez have been more accurate throwing to Holmes, or had more confidence in himself? Losing Revis was huge, but the secondary still played very well. Anyone with eyes can tell you that the defense wasn't the reason we lost this year. The defense still defended the pass relatively well, didn't defend the run particularly well, gave up big 3rd downs, gave up big plays - so where was this terrible loss felt? No, it's not a coincidence that they had bad seasons when the talent dropped off. But do you REALLY think that Rex being the head coach is just a coincidence he had nothing to do with? That's funnier than anything you've accused me of. You never address this point except to say that everyone else is to blame. Now you are making things up. I never said the media caused a single loss. Rex going around telling everyone we were the best team in the league and we were going to win a Super Bowl STILL has us as the butt of all jokes and a league laughing stock. It doesn't instantly translate into wins or losses. It's a trickle down effect. 2010 was a year the Jets made a ton of big comebacks with unlikely plays. It was the one year they got all the breaks they normally don't get. Wins in Detroit, Cleveland, Denver, and against Houston all in a few week stretch were what made them 11-5. If they even SPLIT those unlikely wins, they're 9-7 again and not in the playoffs. They were the beneficiaries of dumb coaching decisions and questionable officiating, and they took advantage of them. But I'm getting off track here, back to Rex. The comments he made every year up until now have stuck with the Jets. They are a media circus all the time. Because Rex and his brashness, the Jets are a laughingstock and every move they make is analyzed to death. And that was BEFORE Tebow. The Jets have become one of the more hated teams in the league, and there's PROOF that good players don't want to come to this circus. The proof? Peyton Manning. If arguably the best QB in league history didn't even want to talk to us about coming here, you can BET YOUR ASS there are others. And that's all on Rex. You won't agree, and I don't care. It's not baseless banter. Let's talk about Holmes last year in Week 17 at Miami. He quit, made a scene in the huddle, then sulked on the sidelines. McElroy tore the lockerrom apart in the media. Training camp: players fistfighting each other, Rex goes public to be a tough guy to tell them to stop, no one listens and they continue to do it. Bart Scott takes on the fans, and doesn't even get reprimanded. Translation: if you're owed money, you can do whatever the hell you want. Then there's his assistant coaches throwing him under the bus - an assistant coach tears the "higher ups" apart and that's a lack of respect for EVERYONE above you - that incldes the head coach, who is a "higher up" to a line coach. Pettine was by many accounts the source that gave Rex last week. Another guy who has no respect for his boss. Everyone on this team says and does what they want, and Rex doesn't do anything about it. And don't try and pull the private talks thing, that's bullshit. Because if he was doing it behind closed doors, they would respect him and not continue to do what they do. I don't need to be in the lockerroom to see this stuff - it's all public thanks to Rex and the Jets in general. He had no choice but to be quiet this year..lol The team, HIS team, stunk. What's he gonna do, go out and say "I know we've lost a bunch of games by 30 points, haven't beaten a winning team in two years, and only beat up terrible teams with no QB, but we're gonna win the Super Bowl". C'mon man. I can't "prove" any of this stuff, just like you can't prove any of it isn't true. Neither of us are in that lockerroom, but you are looking at his overall record and the fact that he lost two big players and not willing to look at anything else. There's a ton of proof, offered above, that he doesn't hold players accountable. I can't give you direct proof that he "lost" the players, but all you have to do is pay attention and the proof is right there. It's based on what I saw during the last calendar year. I have experience in running a business. You either have your employees' respect as a BOSS, or you don't. You can't be everyone's friend and still run a business successfully - I learned this the hard way. Rex has yet to learn that. This is an endless merry go round - if you get to a game and want to have a few beers at my tailgate, look me up. But we're not going to see eye to eye on this debate.
Wait a second - are you blaming the current mess on us destroying the continuity by firing Mangini? Where does that leave your boy Rex? What happened in the past is in the past. What's the reason for the current mess???
All this talk about Revis and Holmes - would Holmes have made Sanchez more confident and more accurate? And how much of a different would Revis have actually made to a defense the played pretty well and defended the pass exceptionally well without him? Would he have played QB? Called offensive plays? Become a contortionist to catch some of Sanchez's poorly thrown balls? The Jets were bad this year because they struck out in developing a QB, did not get any offensive talent and stuck with said QB far too long. Not because Revis or Holmes went down. Even with those guys, we're maybe 8-8 at best, and I honestly don't even know if they would have made that much of a difference anyway.
you guys act like we are the 1989 Jets w/ no hope. We still have a ton of talent and can be a playoff team next year if we make some good moves this offseason. Our O stunk mostly b/c we were so beat up on O, we had no weapons.
