One problem I have with the D this year is that the players themselves seem to have given up and aren't trying as hard once it was clear they were getting no help from the offense and that the offense was continually putting the D in a bad position. These are pro's, they aren't allowed to sulk and give a half-ass effort. Rex should have read them the riot act behind closed doors. Either he didn't and he needs to be blamed or he did and he's lost the team. Either way, its not a good sign for him keeping his job. another issue I have with Rex and the D is knowing that the teams corners suck and looking at the competition they were facing it was screaming for LB's / safety's and occasionally CB's to crowd the line and disrupt the rhythm of the WR and TE's by bumping them at the line. Other than Cutler and Stafford the rest of the teams they've lost to are more rhythm QB's. The way to beat a rhythm QB is to disrupt it, hit the receivers on the line and play dime personnel, drop people into coverage while letting their high draft pick D line push the pocket and force bad throws. I've yet to see them do this. Rex has proven that he is incapable of solving the TE issue. A good D coordinator doesn't fail miserably at basic coverage like Rex has. Why are we still seeing Pace and Harris attempting to cover people that everyone knows they can't possible cover? Rex is either incredibly stupid or too blind and loyal to his players to remedy the situation. How can you be a defensive genius if you can't solve the TE issue and you constantly bring the house when down and distance dictate that you sit back in coverage? I'd love to know opposing team 3rd down conversion rate on 3rd and long against the Jets compared to every other team. I bet they're dead last and the next worst isn't even close. This D has given up 24 passing TD's in 9 games, that's nearly 3 a game. The league average is less than 2 a game. 24!!! Go ahead Rex explain that..
While I'd love to debate philosophical theories, I don't think this is the right place. Though, I will say that's a gross oversimplification.
Jesus Christ. Jets has time of possession lead but still give up points, so Jets D sucks? ToP means something IF THE OFFENSE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH IT. Jesus. Look at the lone win this season. Jets start off with 5 minute drive [Close to 6 - it lasted 5:44] that resulted in 3. Oakland goes 3 and out - and then Geno throws a pick at Jets 28. Jets defense does not hold this time - resulting in 7-3 Raiders. Jets offense gets the ball back, then end the quarter. Time of possession? Jets hold the ball for 9 minutes to Raiders 6 minutes. Better yet, Jets hold for another 3+ minutes, only to fumble the ball away at Oakland 3. [Thanks, Geno.] They exchange punts, then Jets score TD. So Jets hold significant lead here in the time of possession - 18:21 to 11:39. Scoreboard says Jets lead by 3 point. [I will not go over the 2nd half - it's more depressing. Jets actually had no business winning this game unless fluke of a luck struck. It sure did with Ivory TD run of 71 yard. Hell - Geno couldn't even score when the defense recovered a fumble at Raiders 30 at the start of the 2nd half. Want me to go on?] We ALL know how the game went down in GB - again, Geno fucked it up fair and square. Seriously, don't even do anything stupid - just take 7 off the GB score and add 3 to Jets, and it's a clear Jets win even with the 2nd half defensive meltdown. [I really don't think GB scores a TD if Jets just hold the ball a little longer then kick a FG. Remember - that stupid pick came on 1st and 10. I've heard people complaining about Rex having no clue about time management, but I gotta say, the bigger problem is that this Geno dude has absolutely no idea how to run a game, let alone an offense.] And Chicago game? Geno threw a pick 6 at the start of the game, then Jalen Saunders [fucking Idzik] muffed the punt at Jets 36. Jets defense didn't hold - but can you blame the Jets defense for allowing 10+ points, when the offense gives up the score? It's not even like this is the only exception. Next game is at Detroit - here, the first quarter goes like Jets kick a FG and Detroit scores TD, with Jets holding the ball for 8 minutes and Detroit holding the ball for 7. So I really ain't got a fucking idea how you got 8 teams scoring double digit in 1st quarter. Detroit clearly didn't, and Chicago offense clearly didn't do that on their own. Geno gave up 7, then Saunders fumbled the ball away. But it's defense's fault because they didn't hold, right? And Okay - Jets D did allow 2 TDs. But does that show the whole picture? How about punting the ball at 8 because Geno had to fumble the ball at 18? [And the defense actually held Stafford to 3-and-out once from their 30's, unlike your claim. Second punt after 3-and-out from 7 sunk the defense.] Jets D, in general, don't allow long TD drives that often. Even SD didn't score 2 scores in 1st quarter. They scored 7. Jets offense went 3-and-out twice during that span, but still held the SD offense to 7. When the defense finally got a pick, Chris Johnson [Again, fucking Idzik] fumbled the ball away. Then the rest is history. Jets offense couldn't muster more than 2 first downs in any given drive, let alone score. But that's defense's fault too? And 2 TDs in 2nd quarter - one of them was off Chris Johnson fumble at 20. Against Denver, Jets D did very well - they were up 7-3 at the end of 1st quarter - and that TD was set up by stellar defensive plays, forcing fumble and pinning Denver deep in their territory at 9. Not like Geno drove the length of the field. He only had to go half the field. Just, the difference is he actually drove that half field this time around, instead of throwing a pick. After that - 2 straight 3-and-out, combined with punt fumble [lost] resulted in really poor field position, consequently with Denver scoring 14. Next up is Patriots - and they didn't score double digits in 1st quarter either. After one quick cheap shot, the defense settled, and 1st quarter ended with 7-6. It took Brady a whole quarter to start firing at all cylinders - and Jets offense still stayed anemic. But that's the defense's fault too, right? Now, Buffalo - Jets O went 3-and-out, then Orton struck with 22 yard TD. All right - fair and square. After the first AND second INT, Jets defense held on, keeping Bills O at 47 and 45 respectively. After 3rd INT, Bills finally cashed in from 1 yard line. Are you telling me THAT IS ON DEFENSE? Are you fucking shitting me? Chiefs is the only case where the opposing offense didn't get any freebies and still scored 14, fair and square, in 1st quarter. THE ONLY TEAM. Out of the ENTIRE schedule. And Jets scored 3 TDs in the 1st quarter, but went the length of the field only ONCE. [Happened against GB.] Went 3-and-out A LOT. So, is the ToP all that important here? Does that even show the whole picture? How? How does that show the defense in such an adverse situation?
Agreed on both points, but the knock on Nietzsche was oversimplified as well. Alright, enough of that.
The corners are the staple of his defense,without them the defense isn't whole.Josh Thomas and Marcus are our two starting corners.Although Rex will never admit it publicly he knows he doesn't have the guys to get it done ,he's just trying to motivate these idiots.Westhoff said it early in the week not signing a corner "wrecked the football team" and he's right.Not having a solid group of corners mixed with bad QB play and you have the recipe for disaster
Well Zach, you certainly got worked up about that. I think that you've misread my post, however. My intention was to show that the Jets defense has not been wearing down over the course of games because of an imbalance in time of possession. It was not intended to say why the defense has struggled, only that the ToP argument, which is thrown around a lot on this site, is not a valid excuse. Of course, my argument also implies that there must be other reasons for the defensive problems, so your reduction of my argument to "Jets have time of possession lead but still give up points, so Jets D sucks?" is unreasonable. I'll go through a few of the points you mention, but you're often arguing against something I didn't say. Yes, of course, but doesn't it cut both ways? Shouldn't the defense also be able to do something with a ToP advantage? I'm not saying the Jets offense has been anything but horrible. No, which is why I discounted Geno's pick-6 in that game, otherwise it would have nine times that the Jets D allowed double-digit quarters in the first half of games. And it is the only exception. I noted that the Jets D had allowed eight double-digit quarters in the first half of games, not eight double-digit first quarters. The Jets as a team have allowed nine double-digit quarters in the first half, but I discounted the one that was aided by Geno's pick-6 against the Bears. Well, I didn't say that, I just said (not to labor the point) that they could not use the excuse of being gassed by having been on the field too long. A realistic argument could be made, however, that it is the defense's job to hold. What claim are you referring to here? Don't remember saying that. Obviously not, which is why I didn't say that. You can argue that. Technically it happened twice in the first quarter and six times in the second, which is where I got the total of eight from. I did discount Geno's pick-six against the Bears, but I did not discount the one-yard TD drive against the Bills. That may be harsh, but once you get into arguments about what should be included and what shouldn't, things can get complicated. My only point - a lopsided time of possession is not the reason why the Jets have allowed so many points this season. This was not a piece simply knocking the D - they have performed well in the second half of games and have really done well in the fourth quarter as far as points conceded is concerned. It was not a piece trying to explain why they have conceded so many points. I just wanted to put the ToP excuse to bed. Overall, though, I'm just puzzled that you got so angry in this post about so much stuff I didn't say.
It's a bit hard to stop opposition scoring when the offense is continually giving the ball back to them either through turnovers or 3 & outs. Yeah the secondary sucks but overall the defense has done well considering how rare it's been for the offense to maintain possession for any period of time. They've made big stops when it's been required only to be sent back out on the field within minutes when the offense has failed to capitalise.
