You are a fucking liar Phaytal. Both the offense and the defense have had substantive changes, not even factoring in that the young players have another year under their belts, along with another preseason.
You mixing last year's defensive rank with this year's rank? Huh? I forgot Tebow also played linebacker, safety, and corner for the Broncos as well. My bad. That would explain why the defense was ranked #23 last year... but oh wait... I thought the defense was why they won last year. Are you saying they were bad now? And it was Tebow's fault? But they were the reason the team won? WTF? WTF man. WTF WTF WTF?
Nope. They were essentially the same last year as they are this year. The difference being they don't have to bail a shitty quarterback out the entire game. They don't have to worry about Manning going 3-and-out seven straight times. They are getting the ranking and respect that they deserve this year, because the offense is actually doing it's job; moving the football, sustaining drives, and scoring points, get this, in the first half! I have no idea why that is so hard to understand.
:lol: Give it up dude. Manning is the #1 quarterback in the league with the same weapons that you bitched about all last year. Suck it up.
Um . . . . there was another change besides the subtraction of Tebow from that roster. Maybe you didn't hear.
SHHHH!!! You're interrupting his argument that a first time starter is supposed to do as well as a first ballot hall of famer. Since Tebow isn't in the same GOAT discussion as Manning, he clearly sucks.
not that many changes though. Still handing off to McGahee as primary RB. Still throsing to Decker and Thomas as the primary receivers. (These are the two guys tebowners blamed the most for his dog butt bad completion percentage. Suddenly a guy who hadn't played in a year, comeing off a couple of neck surgeries, and nerve damage in his arm comes in and turns them into among the league leaders. Most of the offensive line is back with an exception or two, and they got much of the blame from Tebowners last year for not being able to block. (Wondering how they could when even they had no way in hell of knowing which way Tebow was going to run off to.) Defense had but a handful of changes too. Nowhere near as substantial of changes as you seem to think, and certainly not enough to make the kind of turnaround they did in the rankings. The most notable change was dumnping the statisticly worst passer in the league in any meaningful passing stat, and replace him with one of the top. Defense gets better numbers because they aren't out there after three and out after three and out. Offense possesses the ball MUCH longer... and they actually score. WHAT A CONCEPT!!! Should be obvious where the weakest link was.
Actually, the Oline in Denver did a phenomenal job of run blocking last year. It was the pass blocking that was troublesome. Then again, they were all very young. IIRC, the "vet" of the group was a 4th year player (Kuper), the rest were in their 2nd year or rookies. No one is going to argue that Denver isn't better with Peyton. He's a freaking HoF'er. If he had come here, Stephen Hill would probably be way up the leader board in stats, as would Kerley. That said, Denver also added some key players to their offense. All last year, many on the Denver boards talked about the need to bring in some veteran leadership for the WR corps and some TEs. Enter Brandon Stokely, Jacob Tamme and Joel Dreesen Thomas and Decker have 102 combined catches, Stokely, Tamme and Dreesen have 81. That's an addition of some good depth to the WR group, along with some veteran leadership. Before you disagree, what would you give to have all three of those guys here with Kerley and Hill ?? On Defense, their 2nd leading tackler is Safety Mike Adams, an 8 year vet who came over from Cleveland. Add to that, 15 year vet Keith Brooking, 11 year vet Justin Bannan, 5 year vet Tracy Porter. That's some wholesale changes and veteran presence on defense. Aside from Tracy Porter, none are "big name" additions, but they are all solid players and a nice upgrade. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that Tebow would have them at the same record. But it's still a much stronger team without even looking at the QB position.
You can't say that they are the same. Another year to develop, get coached, etc... and they are not the same defense. They didn't bail him out of the 5 games the Broncos lost last year, BTW. It is hard to understand because you are jumping all over the place and not making any rational points.
fwiw the guys he was playing against are selling insurance somewhere now too sanchez was 28-20 with 4 road playoff wins against rivers manning and brady. turns out that was a fluke. just saying
Sanchez' victory's were not flukes. They were accomplished with great defenses and good running games. Sanchez made some pretty clutch throws when asked to do so but otherwise did very little other than manage the games well and limit turnovers (much like Brady and the Pats from 01 to 04 before they went to this wicked offense around 2005 or 06, and with which they have yet to actually win it all.....but that's another point). It was hoped that Sanchez could develop just like Brady. From a good game manager and occasional third down passer to total passer able to run a complete, complex offense. He was Rex's answer to the Patriots domination and he has not progressed at all . He has regressed incredibly from from average to slightly above average his first two years to very mediocre last year to abysmal this year. Yes, the offensive parts are much worse and that does matter but it does not excuse the complete lack of development, vision, pocket awareness, and incredibly high turnover rate. He is Brady Quinn. He is Matt Lienhart. He is David Carr. At this point, it hard to see him being anything more that a journeyman who, if put on a great team (like Dilfer and the Ravens), may be able to manage them to some success. But he does not appear to be the reliable future of any franchise at this point.
um, yea.thanks for the lesson. my point was don't point to an above .500 record and a play off win as evidence that tebowmania wasn't a fluke. sanchez went on just as impressive a run and now he is garbage.
Forgive me. My point is that it was not a fluke because Sanchez did pretty well and was on the same path as Brady. He has turned into garbage since last year. Tebow was also not fluke because he did pretty well last year in his first set of games. He, unlike Sanchez, has yet to be shown to have turned into garbage. Give Tim a chance to fail. That's all I'm saying.
I loved Randall Cunningham, I grew up watching him with Philly and the year he had in Minny when they should have won the SB. He was one of my favorite players ever and it certainly doesn't help that we share alma maters as well.
Phaytal why don't you find skip Bayless' email address and debate him, you seem to assign stupid stuff he said to all Tebow fans for some reason, your tiny brain and small IQ can not seem to comprehend this.
It wasn't a fluke, but Sanchez went on his run with a much more complete and better team than Tebow did. That's not acceptable to the Tebow haters, because if they give him a chance to fail, they're also giving him a chance to succeed, and they don't want to take the chance that he will succeed, because they hate him and want him gone regardless, because for most of the Tebow haters, their hatred of him isn't about football, as they themselves have demonstrated amply on a regular basis.
