Well, for once we can agree. It won't have anything to do with money if he leaves. I think, however, that is the same reason he would never go to Boston. I see him only go to the west coast if he goes.
If he opts out the Yankees won't even try to resign him so it's moot. That's the only reason they are willing to negotiate with him now before the season is over and he has that chance.
It's just amazing how you can define his career based on 12 post season games and do it with a straight face. You love to talk about his .071 BA in last year's ALDS but I never hear you talk about Cano's .133, Giambi's .125 or Sheffield's .083. Somehow you think Arod should carry the team while everyone else sleeps. Cano doesn't make much but Sheffield made almost as much as the Yankees pay Arod and Giambi makes a hell of a lot more.
Yeah seriously. Look junc, I'm not going to quote your entire post and fight with you about it. I'm just going to say I totally disagree with you. The only time I truly feel his numbers were compiled and meaningless was last season. His ability to ground into DPs or strike out with 2 outs last year was infuriating, but I'm not about to let that cloud my judgement of him over the rest of his stay here. Taking credit away from him for that MVP title a couple years ago is silly. He legitimately beat out Oritz, given his fielding. Had Ortiz won it, it would still have been fair, but Alex had just as much right to the award, and his glove pushed him over the top. I can't fight with you over this one. We have two distinct viewpoints here, and neither of us is going to give an inch.
ARod is supposed to be the best player on our team, the man doesn't have an RBI in 12 postseason games! Cano has proven so far to be a poor postseason player but his career is just starting, ARod had plenty of postseason experience. Sheff should never have been playing last postseason, he just came back from injury and TILL had more RBI than ARod. Giambi aso struggled but STILL had 2 RBi compared to NONE for Alex and in '05 jason batted .421 in the ALDS, Cano had 3 hits and 5 RBI, Sheff batted .286 and had 2 RBI while Alex batted .133 w/ ZERO RBI. He's SUPPOSED to be our best player and he has zero RBI in 12 straight potseason games! But you are goig t let 1reat 1st half cloud your judgement of his stay here? He hasn't been the guy we expected here until this year and this is year 4 and a chance to make more money. I'd be very careful giving into his demands when he hasn't earned it. $25 mil is more than enough, I would much prefer spread that salary out and bcome a great TEAM again rather than a bunch of individual stars. he won b/c he played the field- that's the only reason, the only place he was better than ortiz then Mr. MVP went out and batted .133 w/ zero RBI in the postseason. Anyone who saw Ortiz carry the Sox at times knew who the real MVP was but they were never going to give it to a DH.
Not suppose to be, he is by far the best player on our team and his failures in 12 postseason games doesn't change that one bit.
THIS year he's been our best player but not his first 3 years and yes postseason counts more. The best players rise to the challenge, ARod has done nothing but shrink.
Nonsense....it's still a team sport and one player will not win or lose it for you in the postseason.
well theres no way Boras is letting Arod negotiate mid season because it makes no sense money wise......junc sometimes you have to pay a guy for what you expect him to do going forward. your argument that youd rather spread the money around certainly is a viable one.....but if he continues these ridiculous numbers, post season or not, you can justify paying him...especially since our payroll is retarded already so whats the difference....I for one have become completely de-sensitized to gigantic salries at this point....so too should Red Sox fans after the 50 million to dice-k....whether it officially counts towards payroll or not, its ridiculous money spent by the team
I think you need to think, can this team make the playoffs without Arod. i think it is yes IF abreu, cano, melky, damon, etc were playing well...now it's obv no. but if they CAN then it's his playoff production that really counts and that is nothing right now. i'm not saying he should go, cause i don't want him to, but would it be better for the yankees to get several players for a combined $30mil, or just Arod? Like say Texiera and ____, whomever. i don't personally know
Texiera would be another total waste of money..and it's nice to say spread it around but on who? Mediocre players will insure they never go to the playoffs for the next 20 years..we've been there before. Players like Andruw Jones or Torii Hunter will get in the 15-20 million dollar range anyway. Hell, Ichiro is getting 20 million and he's a singles hitter. So saying spread it around sounds nice but it's not reality..and besides we are talking about the Yankees. They have it now, they will have even more when the new stadium opens so it's spend it or forget ever getting back to the WS..and who better to spend it on?
If you were having 1/3 of arods $25mil salary paid by another team and he rejected your extension, are you going to pay the whole $30mil for the next 6 years to him? Cause the Yankees surely aren’t, they will go the hunter/texiera route if they have to and while I don’t think it’s an improvement at all, it’s hard to blame them (though I personally agree they should sign arod)
i wasn't saying that the goal is to make playoffs, but rather they CAN make it without him if other played well who are sucking now, so he really NEEDS to produce in the playoffs to matter, which he has yet to do
uhh..that makes no sense at all..he needs to produce in the playoffs but the rest of the team sucks and won't even allow them to get to the playoffs????
what i was saying is obv this year they need him, but who knew melky, cano, damon, abreu, giambi would all be useless. this team COULD make the playoffs without him if they played as they should, which is not the case this year. my main point here is that with a hunter/texiera on this team they would make the playoffs and then who knows...with arod here with this team they may make it, but then what? does april-sept deserve $30 mil. i realize it's not fair to say he needs to produce in the playoffs if they dont make it, im just throwing the thought out there
I think most people knew damon and giambi at least would be useless. Melky has played well since he has played regularly. Abreu and Cano are just products of the Torre system. As far as Arod deserving 30 mil for Apr-Sept. Hell yes, he deserves it. It will be 32 mil minimum anyway. Expect it to be closer to 35 a year over the length of the contract. Teams will be lining up to pay him that. They already are.
ill give you giambi, but why would anyone think damon would be useless, just last year he went .285 24HR 80RBI 25 SB and had 115 runs and last year people were talking about cano hitting batting titles. i would be shocked if a team gave arod 35. i think it'll be around 30, with the angels and maybe mariners and red sox in the mix (sox with schilling, lowell off books, not that that matters)
Damon started breaking down last year. One injury after another just like this year. I expected it anyway. Arod is guarenteed 32 million in each of the last two years even if he doesn't opt out which is why I am sure it will more if he does. There is talk of the red sox and mariners but I really think it will be the Angels if he leaves. Then they will be the team to beat for years to come.
