Um, it was Texas, not the Yankees that gave him a quarter billion dollar contract in the first place. He's going to get more or at least the same money from any team interested in signing him, regardless of the Yankees level of involvement. As for how much more Boston would have to pay, after the luxury tax kicks in it would be pretty much the same. Yes, and after you factor in the trade of Crisp/Pena and expiring $31.5 million from Lowell, Clement, and Schilling, the Red Sox payroll would actually drop.
So would the Yankees with the loss of A-Rod, giambi, and most likely Abreu..And Pavano, Roger, probably Moose....
Congratulations. That has nothing to do with anything. My only point is for people who were saying that the Sox couldn't afford Arod, they are wrong. Adding Arod and calling up two of the prospects who are probably ready this year if needed would lower the payroll. That's it. Not trying to compare to the Yankee payroll.
Why would it be the same? Both are over the cap. No matter how you slice it, it will cost Boston 30 million more then it will cost the Yankees. The Yankees, by making this decision, has out-Borased Boras. He either signs with the Yankees before the season is over or goes into free agency without the Yankees being a part of it. Boras must be puking. Actually, it doesn't really matter as the Yankees will begin contract talks with him now. If they don't come to a deal before the season is over, he is free to do what he wants. The Yankees, by making this decision, has out-Borased Boras. He either signs with the Yankees before the season is over or goes into free agency without the Yankees participating. Boras must be puking.
No they aren't. The luxury tax threshold is $148 million. The Red Sox opening day payroll was $143,026,214. Also, the Yankees have been over the limit since the tax was initiated so they would have to pay more anyway.
You edited it to add even more stupidity. Nobody fucking cares if the Yankees are involved. He got a 10 year, $252 million dollar contract without the Yankees being involved, and has since won multiple MVP awards. He's going to get money no matter what. Why is that so hard to understand?
Ok, I thought they were at 150 million. In any event Arod will put them over as it would cost them a minimum of 33/yr. The Yankees being over doesn't all count against Arod...there are plenty of bums that have them over.
You're the one showing your ignorance if you can't understand their simple logic. As far as that original contract, no one else was offering more then 150 million at the time. Are you saying now that he will get 500 million?
Where you pulled that number from is a seperate issue, as it would likely be far closer to $25 million than $33 million, but did you not read what I posted? They are at $143 million now. Clement, Schilling, Lowell, Wakefield, and some bullpen guys are all free agents after the year. Signing Arod, even with your ridiculous $33 million figure would bring it to $176 million. Subtract $13 million for Schilling and replace him with Lester at about 300K. That's $163 million. Subtract $9.5 million for Clement, who doesn't need to be replaced because he's not on the roster anyway. That's $153.5 million. Subtract Lowell's $9 million who would be replaced by Arod. That's $142.5 million. Already they lower their payroll. Then they can trade Crisp ($4.75 million-more likely) or Pena (arb eligible) because Ellsbury will be in centerfield for about $300K. That makes it about $138 million. Plus the tax threshold would go up anyway, so either way, signing Arod would not put them over it.
What the hell are you talking about? I'm not saying he's going to get $500 million, but he's going to get somewhere around $25 million a year from some team, no matter whether the Yankees are involved or not. Between the Red Sox, Mets, Dodgers, Angels, and whoever else, he will get $25 million a year.
So, are you saying they would strip that much of their team for one player? And it would definitely be 33 million. The Angels would easily pay that. Hell, the Yankees will pay that as long as it includes Texas 10 million for the next 3. Boras is opening negotiations at 200 million for 6 years.
What? They would be replacing Lowell with Arod. Schilling isn't going to be resigned anyway, Lester is going to take his place, if not just to hold over for Buchholz who was just promoted to AAA. Clement has been pretty much Pavano, and hasn't been on the roster in a year and a half. Those calculations I did include resigning Wakefield at his $4 million dollar option and resigning the bullpen guys. The roster would be nearly identical to this season. The only players they would lose would be Schilling, Clement, and Lowell. They wouldn't be stripping the team in any way, shape, or form. And the $33 million comment goes DIRECTLY against what your other argument is. If the Angels will easily pay $33 million, why would Boras worry about the Yankees not being involved? Seriously, just give up.
The point is that Steinbrenner says he wants Arod back which means the sky's the limit. 200 million, as I said, is the starting point. Anybody wanting him will have to pay 30 million more then the Yankees. Maybe they will offer him 230 which is 260 to everybody else. Money isn't an issue. They have a new stadium with a lot more luxury boxes and they want the all time HR record back where they think it belongs. Arod has to decide if that much money can be had anywhere else but in NY. They are adamant that if he opts out, they are out.
These days, I'm not sure Steinbrenner is saying anything...... Arod will get whatever he wants from any team. Angels especially. Moreno will pull a Hicks and overpay him just to get him out to to the west coast & to put him behind Vlad in that lineup. Even though Boston has the room, I cant see them signing him. It goes against what Epstein has built but you never know. Cubs right now on are hold until the sale of the club goes through. I would hate to Arod go but I cant blame him if he does.
Moreno can't pay him a cent unless the Yankees can't get him to sign an extention...that's the whole point here.
The point is the Yankees have the best chance of signing him. Half of his current contract is paid by the Rangers. So if he's getting $25 million this year, the Rangers are giving $12.5 ballpark. I'm sure someone has the real numbers. The yankees can give him $7 or $8 million a year more a year taking him well over $30 but it doesn't cost them $30. As far as an extension I'm not sure how much that would cost. Remember he's playing great this year but again his team is way out of contention and after he gets another big contract is he going to continue to put up these numbers?
It's not that the Yankees have the best chance of signing him, it's that it would cost them slightly less to extend him due to Texas' contribution. The thing is, it's not like the problem with keeping him would have anything to do with money. If Arod leaves, it will NOT be because the Yankees were outbid or didn't want to pay him, it will be because he got sick of being the best player in the game and getting booed VICIOUSLY in his home park the year after winning an MVP.
The moment ARod opts out of that contract and becomes a free agent, the Yankees have ZERO advantage over anyone else. Texas is no longer responsible for that $30 mil if/when he opts out.
So a great 1st half erases his huge postseason failures of the last few years? it erases his clutch failures his first 3 reg seasons w/ the Yanks? I don't think so. He's now playing like the guy we expected to get but we also stink now, if we had half of this version playing in october the last few years we might have #27 and we'd at least have won another series or 2. No player has been as bad as Arod the last 2 Octobers, every player has had moments while ARod has been consistently embarrassing. You can't survive w/ your supposed best player playing like your worst player. Give me a break, guys around him hit and even if they didn't tht's not an excuse. Who was hitting around Jeter? he hit .500 last ALDS, that's nonsese. Don't pass the blame. ortiz was clutch, ARod compiled mostly meaningless #s. Any yankee fan that followed the team that year knew that. I'd take lesser #s if the #s happened at more important times. No one wanted to see ortiz up w/ the game on the line but who cared if ARod was up? you knew he wouldn't come through. If we get back to the postseason and he playes well, not amazing like he's been just well, then I give him a little bump but if not that's too much money to risk wasting like we have 3 of his 4 years here.
