Again you are replacing single games. Does Mark even make the playoffs for the Cowboys playing QB all year? Probably not. The defense wasn't very good. Again, do the Ravens make the playoffs with Sanchez? Sanchez was not as efficient as Flacco was in his rookie year. You aren't looking to see if Sanchez on those teams would even reach the playoffs. The Giants won 9 games, including 8 of them via a GWD in the 4th quarter. The Giants final game of the season was very important, the one time Mark Sanchez had a very important final game of the season, he threw 3 picks. I don't think Mark Sanchez leads the Giants to the playoffs in 2011. That's not the point of who were better, it's match ups. You are acting like Sanchez on the 2010 Jets against NE means he plays like that against NE on the 2007 Giants and 2011 Giants. That's just not accurate, even in a hypothetical. The point is not Mark was good enough to win playoff games. The point was that just because Mark goes to a team with better offensive talent, doesn't mean that team wins more. Because Mark is still turnover prone. His TDs might go up, but we know his INTs and fumble will go up. He won't improve the coaching on those teams he joins, he won't improve the defense or special teams or OL either. Your point was that if we switch Mark on to Dallas or BAL or NYG they win more games. Your argument for it was because those teams had more offensive skill talent. That ignores everything else that goes into winning a game. Mark's TD/yards probably go up on those teams, but probably his mistakes too so there's not guarantee you get 16 NE playoff game type performances from him all year. So it's not correct to say those teams would more games. The thing that is probably true, Mark throws more, throws for more yards by cumulative stats, and throws for more TDs but on the other hand, his cmp% probably stays low and his INTs also go up EDIT: You were never arguing Sanchez was a big part of playoff wins. Your point acted like since these teams have more offensive talent at the skill positions, Mark would go there and lead the team to more wins. That's your hypothetical but the logic behind it is severely flawed. The natural path is that Mark's numbers would get inflated playing with better offensive skill position talent. On the flip side too, if we switch Mark for Romo or Eli in 2011 and got the 2011 version of Romo or Eli, we make the playoffs. The only one that makes sense, is Dalton for Sanchez. Because Dalton's INT % have risen each year in the league and match Sanchez type decisions/throws.
why wouldn't he w/ all those weapons? why wouldn't Bal make the playoffs? similar D as the Jets(except better) would they need all those GW drives? and Mark had a ton of GW drives in 2010 and throughout his career. To say he couldn't do that isn't being fair. He never had as many Tos as Eli this year and Eli did it w/ top 10 weapons- something Mark has never had. More talent around him would equal less mistakes by him or mistakes being turned into positive plays b/c of the talent.
Because the Dallas D ranked bottom 7 in the league. Sanchez has never dealt with that. And Sanchez is careless when it comes to protecting the ball. Put the ball in his hands more, his INTs/fumbles will go up. Joe Flacco in his rookie year only threw 12 picks. Sanchez, in his rookie year, threw 20 picks. Flacco fumbled 11 times, Sanchez 10 times. If Sanchez gets put on the 2008 Ravens, he has Mason and Clayton and Heap and rookie Ray Rice. I value Greene/Jones, Ctochery and partial Braylon and Keller as better. Put rookie Sanchez in 2009 Ravens, still a problem, they probably struggle with all the turnovers Sanchez creates. Sophomore Sanchez is obviously interesting but sophomore Flacco played better with worse weapons. Kelley Washington as the 3rd best WR vs Cotchery, I take Cotchery hands down. So again, Ravens probably struggle with Sanchez and the lack of talent around Sanchez. Why did they need all those drives? Partially the Sanchez effect, partially defense. Eli put them in some holes, similar to what Sanhcez has done, other times the defense slipped up. 2011 Sanchez wouldn't have limited his turnovers as well as Eli though. Again, normal Sanchez problem. 2010 Sanchez is interesting, but I would say Braylon/Tone/Cotch stack up well against Cruz/Nicks/Manningham and that Keller beats Ballard out and LT/Greene stack up well against Bradshaw You contradict yourself. You say talent would turn mistakes to psotives, so what happened to Eli this year with what you say is "top 10 talent?" Talent helps slightly, but Sanchez is asked to throw more on the NYG teams. 2011 Giants threw 589 times, Sanchez's most is 543. EDIT: aslo, I don't think Eli had top 10 talent this year. Bengals, Broncos, Cowboys, Eagles, Steelers, Chargers, Packers, Bears, Lions, Saints, Panthers, Bucs, Cardinals all had better WR group and the Giants didn't even have RBs as they went to FA a ton
So you wouldn't add a QB if the Jets cut/resigned Sanchez? I would still want a QB to be added, preferably a veteran.
You're a confident person I would be nervous about Sanchez's health and see how he looks in the TC. I would want someone I could slide in without question marks, something Smith, Sanchez, and Simms all have. I also wouldn't leap Sanchez ahead of Smith just because Sanchez is healthy. Especially if I was Rex in what is considered a playoffs or bust year
when Dallas made it in 2009 they were 2nd in pts allowed. They have had 3 chances at win and in games in week 17 the last 3 years, their QBs have thrown 6 INTs which is more than mark has in 6 playoff games. In 2011 they won one game maybe Mark wouldn't have and that was at SF and they lost a bunch he could have helped them win. Flacco had better #s, didn't play better. Don't forget Cotch was playing hurt most of 2010 and we didn't have a Ray Rice. Their D held Indy to 20 pts, our D allowed 30 a week later. Braylon/Holmes/Cotch are not as good as Cruz/Nicks/Manningham especially when you factor in he only had Holmes for 10 games and Cotch missed 2 games and played hurt most of the year. If all are healthy the drop off isn't that big but you have to factor health into it. NYG 2011 threw b/c they had incredible weapons in the pass game, mark could do that if he had the weapons. Eli most of his career has been a TO machine, that's the point. mark could have won w/ those teams too. Both QBs played well in postseason runs but Eli's D/STs stepped up and Mark's did not.
2009 Sanchez threw 20 picks to 12 TDs. 2009 Romo threw 26-9. I don't think talent flips Sanchez to that high of a ratio, something he's never done in his whole career. Which team are you referring to in 2011? Giants, Ravens, or Cowboys? In 2010 we didn't play IND until the playoffs. Flacco played better too than Sanchez in 2010 with less talent. Ray Rice doesn't overcome the limitations elsewhere. What about our RB and TE. We definitely have the edge there to make up anything missing. Remember cruz was an unknown that year he broke out partially to Eli in 2011. He gets credit for that. I don't think so. Mark has been too erratic. Eli 2007 is interesting, could help you out. Eli post 2007, nope. Eli became less erratic having two high TO seasons instead of inconsistent seasons. 2010 and 2013 Eli had high INT %s, but the rest, he kept very lower, lower than Sanchez's career average and that's not just because of talent. Talent doesn't answer everything, otherwise the most talented team would win every year.
the bulk of those TOs happened in just 3-4 games, he played well a majority of the season. Just b/c Romo put up better #s doesn't mean much. NYG 2011 I was referring to our supposed all world D in 2009 that allowed 30 pts a week after Bal allowed 20 on the same field. mark had one TO late in the game when it was decided and Bal had 4 TOs(and got stopped on 4th and short near midfield) yet they only allowed 20 pts. Flacco put up better #s, don't confuse the 2. mark was better in 2010. have the edge at RB? over RAY RICE? seriously? it wasn't close. Eli became less eratic post 2007? since 2009 he leads the NFL in TOs blowing away Sanchez despite playing w/ SB caliber talent. he's had TWO 25+ INT seasons in the prime of his career.
For the record, I'd rather see Holmes gone than Sanchez. But to call the butt fumble "unlucky" and "an accident" is downright funny...Yeah...Mark "accidentally" forgot the play he just called in the huddle and was "unlucky" to blindly run into the ass of his lineman. Is it any wonder that Sanchez's stock has improved after a season of NOT playing?
I've watched that play over and over again.. Holmes gave up the ball. He could have just as easily fallen to the ground but he threw the ball up in the air as soon as he realized he was injured... Goes to show how "me first" he is as a player. In comparison... A "real" teammate says hi.... http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81c1b0b5/Injured-Cotchery-makes-clutch-catch
What else would you call it? If I'm following your post correctly Sanchez purposefully ran the wrong play.. and then intentionally ran his head into Bandon Moore and intentionally fumbled to his hated rival the Patriots so that they could lose the game in the most embarrasing fashion possible?? No.. it was just a blown play. A broken play that's been blown WAY out of proportion because it's the Jets, because it's Sanchez, And because there are fans like you around. IMO Geno's "I'm going to pass the ball behind my back, one handed, while getting tackled by a lineman" is a 100 times dumber play then anything Sanchez has ever done.
Did Sanchez run the right play? of course it was a blown play. Sanchez blew the play...then made his mistake worse by his actions immediately after blowing the play. I didn't say intentionally...I said blindly, as in with his eyes closed. It's all there on video from multiple angles...no amount of spin changes what happened. Face it. The butt fumble will live in infamy. I don't like it any more than any other Jet fan....but it is what it is. You've got to be kidding in your comment about Geno's boneheaded maneuver...it's nowhere near as infamous as the butt-fumble....nor should it be. You might as well take the Junc approach...Just hypothetically put Sanchez on another team....like the Giants. Doesn't change much, but that way he runs into David Diehl's ass.
That's basically my point,.. Both were basically plays that resulted in the other team scoring 6 points after the QB lost a fumble that he shouldn't have. How you think the two events are so far apart can only be blamed on the media over sensationalizing everything that was the NYJets of 2012. I stand by my statement that the "one handed, behind the back, trying to escape a tackle inside of your own endzone" is a way more bone headed play then Sanchez turning the wrong way for the handoff. Moore was blown way behind the line and Sanchez obviously was just trying to go down and not loose a ton of yards on the play. Sliding to the LOS in this situation is 100% the right play to make, It just didn't end as he thought it would. The only person that can be blamed in Geno's case is Geno. He could have at any point thrown the ball away or not dropped back 20 yards in the first place. The very last thing he should be doing in that situation is trying to pass the ball behind his back with a lineman hanging all over him.
How do you know what he could've "easily" done? Have you ever tore your foot in half? It sucks how the play happened but it's totally understandable WHY he did what he did.
HahaI was terrible naming the teams I was referring too. Yes it does. It means Romo (2009) had a year with very low turnover and very high TDs and a very efficient year, more efficient than Sanchez has ever had. Any year Sanchez getting that talent does not mean he matches Romo's year. And obviously, the remaining Dallas defense/coaching stays the same. NYG 2011, yes Mark could have helped them win more games. Mark also could have helped the Jets win the SB. Eli in 2011, I don't think any version of Sanchez can recreate the regular season wins. Mark sophomore or 3rd year vs Eli 2007 regular season, there's a better argument. No Flacco was overall better in 2009 and 2010 than Sanchez. 2009 Sanchez does not go to BAL and make the playoffs in 2008 or 2009 or 2010. He was really raw as a rookie and even though the Jets D/O hid him, he made rookie mistakes. Flacco, surprisingly, kept his INT % very low while getting protected. In 2010, Flacco played better/safer, but Mark still looked to have more potential for greatness at the time. 2010 Mark might succeed in 2010 BAL but not get more wins, but 2010 NYJ O is greater than BAL 2010 O so Flacco did better with less in my opinion. No we have the edge over NYG RB with LT/Greene over Bradhsaw and someone. Comparing the 2010 Jets O to 2011 NYG O. That makes up/overtakes the Giants slight edge in WR play, WR that Eli helped become stars like Cruz. Look at his seasons, not just overall numbers. He has two VERY HIGH turnover years since 2007, but within 2008,2009,2011,2012 he kept the numbers low, as low as he ever has. So he wasn't erratic within the season. Granted, 2010 was high INT, but even higher TD, similar to how Sanchez turned the ball over a lot in 2011 but scored a lot too. He had two bad years, but he contained the problems within those year mostly. Mark has had problems within games and seasons going from the young QB who's going to take over the league, to the young QB who doesn't have a future in the NFL. The Jets had SB caliber talent in 2009 and 2010 also. And I still disagree Eli had top 10 offensive skill talent this year. He had average talent at best at those skill positions, I would say slight below average.
I mean the problem is Sanchez made these dumb decisions too at critical times in games. The buttfumble was "funny" to everyone, but Sanchez was still making rookie mistakes in his 3rd and 4th year which left fans a sour taste. Low scoring game in Denver in 2011, unnecessary pick 6. Proves to be the difference/momentum changer if you believe in momentum 3 INTs in a must win in MIA including an INT in the red zone with the Jets driving to win. Football says you CANNOT force a throw there. 2012 NE, misses wide open check down, instead heaves a late throw into double coverage. 2012 NE, fumbles in OT when it's the last thing you can do there. 2012 MIA, INT in RZ, can't throw points away. 2012 BUF home opener, one handed flip on 2nd down. Take the 0 yard sack there or throw it out of bounds. 2012 TEN, in the RZ driving to tie/lead, throws into double coverage to end the game. Thats what leaves a bad tastes in fans mouth, the really bad decisions he has mad in key situations. It is just lack of awareness of the time/field positon/score in the game that annoys me. Granted, end of the day, I don't care if he stays or goes, but that plays into me getting annoyed with him
