Are You Really Ready to Blow This Thing Up?

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  1. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    Good questions and I honestly have no idea what the answers are. There's so many dynamics and things swirling around you when you're a HC in this league. It's like being the CEO of a big company. Really not sure if it's the players becoming complacent and believing their own shit, if it's the coaches doing the same, or more strings being pulled by the GM or FO. Regardless of what it is, he and Gailey have done a shitty job from a play calling and scheme perspective all season long. They have definitely been one large part of the problem.
     
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    Yea, but choose something better
     
  3. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Honestly two good drafts should do the trick. Our front 7 is set for a couple years. Our guards are set and we may have found a replacement center. We really need to focus on the tackles, quarterback, and secondary. We have enough youthful depth along the front 7 that it'll be formidable.
     
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  4. GQMartin

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    Agree here.

    I'd throw RB in that mix of positions needing attention.
     
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  5. grkmanga31

    grkmanga31 Well-Known Member

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    It's interesting to look at it that way, but you're right, those touchdowns made an impression on the coaching staff for sure. Maybe we should follow up on that with actually giving Petty a shot
     
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  6. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Yes, definitely.
     
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  7. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    "Skilled" GMs aren't out there. That's absurd. Teams only can hire young assistant GMs from other teams and hope that they develop into good, if not great GMs.
     
  8. Jets81

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    If you say so.
     
  9. Sam Hammer

    Sam Hammer Well-Known Member

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    Don't blow it up, just fortify the key positions with youth. Dline is fine but has too much talent. Trade one of them (pref Sheldon) for picks or decent cornerback. Draft multiple oline, ILB, cornerback, TE, bruiser RB. WR is fine, lots of youth there. Have Petty and Hack battle for starting QB job this off season.

    You really only need to revamp the oline and rejuvenate the linebackers. Harris and Mangold are nearing the end of their careers. Keep Marshall, he's good for the young guys and would be an important target for Petty/Hacks. The one thing you don't want is to fail to surround a new QB with talent or to give him a flimsy offensive line. Revis will need to be evaluated, and likely given a paycut.

    There's really nothing to blow up. It's more a matter of developing the young guys already in place and adding more youth over time.
     
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  10. NCJetsfan

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    It's common knowledge. Name some "skilled" GMs out there who are available. I'll bet you can't name one. As part of a discussion with another poster recently, I looked this up. As far as I can tell, a GM who was fired by one team has never been hired by another. And if they are fired, then more than likely, they don't meet the requirements for being "skilled." No quality GM just walks away from his job unless he's older and is retiring.
     
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  11. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Marshall is a terrible personality for young receivers. Yelling at the quarterback on the sideline during a game that's easily within reach is horrible. He has his eyes on his broadcasting career. He drops tons of easy balls in crucial situations. He's a number one receiver at times, and I do want him here, but I'm really torn if he fits into a team that's retooling. Might have to keep him though, especially assuming Decker won't be ready for the start of next season.

    Unfortunately we can't go into the season next year with Peake/Anderson/J. Marshall as the top three guys, but you're right. He might be a must keep so the young guns have a safety valve.
     
  12. GreenFan15J

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    As a STH, I question the abilities of the Owner and FO to field a team that wins games.

    I understand they are somewhat limited by the Players Union and collective bargaining in enforcing discipline, off season training, and practices.

    The Jets started the season unready. They accumulated injuries to key players. The NFL dropped the hammer with a brutal schedule against playoff caliber teams.

    But as STH we fans continue, yet again, to feed on the hype that starts in the spring and buy the tickets and parking passes.

    Why do the Patriots succeed in the same environment? Thats what the Owner and FO need to study and emulate.

    I just have to decide how to spend my entertainment money more wisely...
     
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  13. Red Menace

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    I agree with most of your post, however the schedule can't be used as an excuse. If the jets ever become the type of winning team that we would like them to be, then they will always have a tough schedule.

    The Patriots win because they have a HOF HC who is brilliant at scheming and a HOF franchise QB that was developed by the HOF coach.

    Bellicheat could care less about how hard the schedule is.

    The jets will never get to that point with a FO that doesn't know or is stupid enough to think that a guy like Fitzpatrick is the answer at QB.

    One of our members King Koopa was screaming from the mountain tops about how bad this guy was.

    If the fans can see how bad a QB is and how he is not the answer, why can't a CS, GM who have been in the NFL for 20 plus years not see it?
     
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  14. NCJetsfan

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    I think Mac knows how bad Fitz is. That's why he didn't want to re-sign him and waited so long. I think Woody either forced him too, or Bowles said he had to have him and Mac allowed Bowles to hang himself with the rope he was given. The latter would make even more sense if perhaps Bowles was forced on Mac. I would think that only being on the job one day, Mac would have told Woody that it was too soon for him to hire a HC and that he needed time to get acclimated. Like some other posters, I think that there's a strong possibility that Woody or the consultants basically forced Mac to sign off on Bowles.
     
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  15. playtowinthegame

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    Don't fire Bowles. Give him at the very least 3 full seasons. Yes, I do complain at times about the direction of our team. I've even partaked in the crap on Bowles thread with my fellow Jets fans... In fact there's a strong possibility I'll post/crap in that thread again , however, I'm willing to be patient with Bowles. I'm willing to let him grow. I know that's not popular right now, but popular isn't always right. Go Jets!
     
  16. 101GangGreen101

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    Bowles and Mac should remain, but Jets will need to purge the roster a little bit and create a young nucleus of good players that are hungry to win. Those players need to be under the regime of Bowles and Mac.
     
  17. NCJetsfan

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    If Bowles showed signs of learning, improving and progressing on the job, I'd agree with you, but the fact is that he has either regressed badly, or was made to look better than he was last year due to the weaker schedule and Fitz having a career year. He appears to have lost at least a segment of the team, is stubborn or can't see what the issues are, is not holding players accountable, his game preparation and management are severely lacking, and I see no reason to think that he will learn and grow in the job next season. Therefore, I think he must go at the end of this season or next year will be a total waste.
     
  18. playtowinthegame

    playtowinthegame Well-Known Member

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    You should at least let Bowles finish this season before you take such a strong stance.
     
  19. grkmanga31

    grkmanga31 Well-Known Member

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    Decker again said that Petty isn't ready and we should continue to start Fitz.
    Clady is now on IR and Jarvis Jenkins got cut. It's pretty safe to say that this Jets season is over, and the team has imploded with bad luck, but also because of bad coaching, and also bad managerial decisions.

    I will say this because it's irritated me to no end. For the players who thought they had the power to speak on roster/contract decisions, they should be warned that if they do so again they will be released. Decker and Marshall should be put on notice of this as they were the two primary campaigners for Fitz to get a contract by the Jets.

    These players receive paychecks from the New York Jets, not Ryan Fitzpatrick. If you want to be best friends outside of the work place then that's fine, but when you start to run your mouth, and even go so far as to protest via skipping a week on minicamp then there is a legitimate problem. This is not how you run a legitimate franchise.

    Also, decker and anyone else on the team who still thinks Fitz is the answer is delusional beyond mention. Fitzpatrick is the worst statistical Qb in the league. Petty, even if he's not ready would still perform better.
     
  20. NCJetsfan

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    Why?
     

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