This is an excellent post, especially point #2. Cro was good for us last season, but he wasn't intrinsically a great fit for the system, and I don't like the idea of a big long term deal for a player who doesn't fit well. Wilson is actually a great fit for the system at the #2, but his struggles were well known last season. I do think he'll succeed outside as soon as he learns to read his receivers to track the ball. He may well have taken steps toward that this offseason working with Revis, but he won't truly learn the nuances until he starts. With a year under his belt of practice, it's time for him to pick up the job. He may struggle at first, but if we bring in a solid #3 and initially commit safety help to Wilson, I think we'll be fine and will allow him to develop.
You cant have a crisis with Revis here. He is better than every other cb in the NFL, including the bitch that went to the Eagles. The Jets will be fine at corner. They will sign, or trade for, another corner, and will not lose a step. I think people are truly forgetting how over-rated Cro is, and who mediocre he was last year.
I think Cromartie is a lot better than people on this board give him credit for. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/best-cornerback-charting-stats-2010 Granted, they were mostly against #2 WR (with the exception of when he filled in for Revis), but he did a great job. I wouldn't overpay, but at this point he's the best CB available.
No one is saying that he's not the best CB available. It's not a matter of not giving credit. It's a matter of stating an almost certain truth: we're going to have to overpay for him. Even if he signs for 8 (and I think he'll bafflingly command more than that), we'll have 20 million starting at the position for the next two years and will have to renegotiate with Revis in 2013 when his contract voids. Couple that with the physically promising 1st rounder we have at the position and it's easy to see why people are concerned with Cromartie.
People forget that we signed Cro with the intention of making him our #1 CB should Revis decide to not play. It sucks that we'll probably have to overpay him (and put money in his dickhead agent's pocket) but the guy is talented and we have no other choice.
That is exactly the issue to me.. "with Revis here". With Wilson as the #2 (untested as he is) they are one injury away from having their season wiped out in the secondary, even if its not a season ending injury. Lowery and Strickland are nice depth players but I don't think either is a guy you want stepping in as a starter for an extended period of time. They need to add one more guy that can be a starter (hopefully putting Wilson in position to have to fight for playing time) so that they have adequate depth in case of injury. Debating what Wilson can or cannot do is futile until we get to see him in action. Yes he came on a bit last year but he wasn't out there every play. Whether he can handle starting or not I still think they need to add one more guy back there. Its key to how Rex runs his D. I think both Wilkerson and K. Ellis will really add strength to this team up front. They may not get to the QB as young players learning at a higher level but their size, youth and strength should allow them to pressure on the QB and that is key to the teams success.
You're literally just rehashing my argument. I said I wouldn't overpay. My argument was that he was a lot better than people are giving him credit for. Pretty simple. Reread the thread, one poster said he was 'shaky all year.' A few said he was 'merely good for us last year.' He was much better than good for us last year. He and Revis formed the best tandem in the NFL. Again, I don't want to overpay at all, much like you and the rest of the fanbase stated, but he is the best available, and we are significantly downgrading the position if we lose him. I'm a Kyle Wilson fan, and think he played better last year than people give him credit for, but it would be assinine to think he can replace what Cro did/is capable of doing so THIS year.
Lowery But thats not the point. Fact is we're looking for a CB because they feel like Wilson isn't ready or just cant do it that's pretty obvious, so why start a guy the coaches don't trust? Cro would be nice since he knows the system already. but I still like Carlos Rogers who should come cheaper than Cro.
Yes we do. Don't overpay, let him go away, sign a veteran like Rogers and have him compete with Wilson. Also sign Buchanon to be the nickel-dime and have: Revis - Rogers - Wilson - Strickland - Buchanon - Cole + having the money to sign Roth or Lawson. Good enough for me...
If we never tried to make a run at Aso, we would have been able to sign Cromartie way cheaper. The fact of the matter is while Kyle Wilson has been training and improving with Revis, we don't have much secondary depth. Signing Cro back gives us a lot more flexibility and consistency, which is what we need with our apparent lack of a pass rush. If we go into the season with Wilson being the #2 corner, I expect us to get roughed up through the air. I'm not saying we'll be horrible defensively, but we're definitely not going to be as solid as we were. Cro's experience is being underplayed.
Hooray to that, he didn't have he foot speed for Corner. Exacerbates the situation even more at CB. Let's hope the offer to Cro doesn't break the bank but is enough to get him back in the fold.
Lets think outside the box on this one.... We all say just how many balls are going to go to who ever plays that 2nd DB, well according to Sal Palontonio the Eagles are shopping Asante now. As far as tackling what is the difference between him and Cro, not much to me. The difference is Asante will make a play on the ball and he can play those little wideouts unlike Cro. Plus he mentioned that Asante is only making 5.5 mil this year so very cap friendly. The question is do you trade for him?
I think Wilson is gonna surprise alot of folks around here especially if he learned anything at all from working with Revis over the summer. His problem was technique as the raw talent seemed to be there. Basically, all he really had to learn was how to read the WR and when to turn his head around. Everything else seems to already be in place for him to be a viable #2 CB
If you don't want your response rehashed in such a way as to point out its flaws, don't make a meaningless and flawed argument. I haven't seen ANYONE state that he isn't the best corner available at this point. That was the crux of my response, and I really didn't see the point of your response if you were simply trying to point out that he's the best available corner and we still shouldn't sign him. As I said, if we want Cromartie, we're going to HAVE to overpay. Saying you don't want to overpay is essentially saying you don't want to sign him. That's all people have been arguing: we shouldn't sign him from a monetary standpoint. His value does NOT match up with the contract he's likely to sign. As far as his talent, he's really not as ideal a fit for the system as last year would indicate. He's good in man coverage, but he's not physical. I think Rex was somewhat limited in what he was able to do with him last season, but his coverage skills are obviously solid.
You can't be serious with this post. There wasn't a single flaw in my original post. My main and ONLY point was 'Cromartie was a lot better than some of the people in this thread give him credit for.' That was it, plain and simple. I quoted multiple posters saying he was 'merely good' and one that said 'he was shaky all year.' I provided a link to PROVE my point that he was much better than good last year. I even ended my argument saying we shouldn't overpay him. When did I say we shouldn't resign him? Thats a straw man. "As I said, if we want Cromartie, we're going to HAVE to overpay. Saying you don't want to overpay is essentially saying you don't want to sign him." This again is flawed logic. How do you know what he's commanding? You're assuming whatever team Cro signs with, one is automatically going to overpay, that doesn't necessarily have to be true. His asking price may come down, and he gets his market value. You can't say with absolute certainty one is going to overpay him. I'm not trying to be a dick, I respect you as a poster, but don't make something out of my argument thats not there.
