Drafting and developing a franchise QB is a mix of luck and having a plan. Luck because you can never truly know the heart and mind of a college kid making the leap to the pros; they might have the most impressive workout / combine / college film ever; if they don't have the drive, determination, and intelligence to step their game up, then drafting them will be a waste. This aspect of drafting a QB really can't be held against the GM. The plan - What kind of offense are you going to run? Where do you play geographically? What do you need your QB to excel at? How are you going to surround the QB with weapons so that they don't fall on their face when they otherwise are doing what they are supposed to? How are you going to protect them? This is where GMs and coaching staffs typically fail. Using Geno Smith as an example, it's very hard not to perceive the Jets as taking him because he fell further than his mock draft value, right into the Jets lap in the second round. "Oh this guy fell? lol lets take him." Next thing you know Sanchez is lying on his back in the 4th quarter of the 4th preseason game and Geno's got the weight of the NY football world on his shoulders. FAIL. Everyone gets fired subsequently, and deservedly so. Geno might end up being good one day. He might've been good as a Jet even. The Jets didn't have an adequate plan for him and he paid the price. The Jets are a long and distinguished history of front office / coaching staff failures. Even with the occassional bright star season mixed in here and there, the Jets have been totally unable to maintain success here.
Don't know if we're "Killers", but it doesn't seem like we know WTF to do with them either. Maybe QB incompetent is more like it
Agreed, and we are in year 2 of the current scouting dept which was overhauled by Macc. I believe we still had Bradway and co. for Macs first draft.
Reading many posts here that talk about how poor the Jets are at evaluating talent, and it can be justifiable to a certain degree, I wouldn't jump to conclusions with Macs first 2 years yet. All picks, with the exception of Jarvis Harrison are still on the team. If it weren't for the 2 QB's they drafted, it looks very promising. If you include UDFA Anderson, it's not looking bad....just need another 2-3 more like these to put the ship in the right path.
Ryan freaking Fitzpatrick threw 31 Touchdowns as Jets QB in 2015. It is not so simple as Jets are QB Killers. Sanchez had a decent season in 2011 with 32 total TD. We know Chad Pennington was a great QB but injuries held him back. Since 2000 the only 1st Round QB's the Jets selected are Chad and Mark. Not like they have a bunch of 1st round busts. In fact, both of those QB's could be considered successes. Chad more so than Mark, but Sanchez does have the record for Jets career playoff wins with 4. Favre was playing great until his injury in 2008. Then you move to 2013: Drafted Geno, who in my opinion, did not look like an NFL QB while at WVU. So far I have looked beyond correct. Drafted Petty in the 4th round and Hackenberg in the 2nd round. The jury is still out on both. Other QB's since 2000 who don't really count to me: Tajh Boyd Greg McElroy Erik Ainge Kellen Clemens Brooks Bollinger So I actually don't feel the Jets are QB killers at all. They just have not found a franchise QB (Besides Chad from 2002-2006) It is not easy to do. Could the 2017 or 2018 draft finally give them one? Is Petty or Hackenberg that guy who is already on the roster? Time will tell.
Good question. I never wanted Sanchez. I liked Geno at first, but eventually realized that in spite of a great arm and athleticism, he didn't have the brain to run an NFL offense successfully.
no franchise gets it right all the time - look at the niners going from Montana and Young to what came after them - I know that "luck" doesn't exist but at the same time I just feel like the jets are a really unlucky franchise and have just never had the cards land their way when it comes to taking a QB - well that and a lot of really terrible decisions but then pretty much all franchises make poor decisions - if sports teams were held to account in the same way other businesses are there wouldn't be one of them that wasn't bankrupt!
They're no more "QB Killers" than they are "Team Killers". They have never really done anything sustainable since the days of Werblin and Ewbank. They've had no plan,or coherent blueprint to build upon. And while "the fans" have perhaps contributed to the owners/management giving into their frustration, a good FO that had such a sustainable blueprint wouldn't yield to the pressure. But to blame the "impatient fans" is wrong. Fans like me who have waited almost 50 years for another championship, and who are still fans, are certainly not impatient. We simply demand to see sustainable progress towards a championship. When they got within one game of the SB twice with Sanchez, all they had to do was build upon that. Instead, they allowed the talent to drain from Sanchez, and he wasn't strong enough by himself to offset that talent drain. Of course in his case, he was "killed" when Ryan stuck him into a meaningless preseason game in mop up time, and virtually told the Giants to come and get him. That had all the markings of a "hit job", and if it wasn't it was massive incompetence. And of course there's this past year, which was total mismanagement of the QB situation, certainly by Bowles, but we don't know what, if any, role Maccagnan played in that. Of course, when you focus on "D" for decades, hiring defense-oriented coaches as HCs, your odds of finding and developing QBs are slim. JetsUK just said that teh Jets are an "unlucky franchise", but as the late, great Branch Rickey use to say: :Luck is the residue of design". When you have a good design, you're "lucky"; when you have a poor design, you're "un-lucky". In that sense, the Jets are "un-lucky".
Woody Johnson strikes me as a little bit like Donald Trump. They both like the high profile that comes with their job, but they also lack an overall plan and don't pay enough attention to the details, having left that to the incompetent boobs who were willing to work for them. Who ever thought Rex Ryan was a head coach? Who thought Tim Tebow was a QB? I believe I read a stat here earlier that said the Jets have the lowest number of draft choices still on their roster who had signed a second contract at three? (I forget the time frame they were referring to). But the FO is basically like Kafka's The Castle: "Who's in charge here?" "Nobody!"
This is a rational, logical look at this issue. Personally, I think it's an issue of never being in the right place at the right time (e.g. having a sub 4 win season in a year where a can't miss prospect is available.) For example, they won the Tennessee game in 2014, which could have been called the Marcus Mariota Bowl. Should they have tried to trade up at that point? This year, I think they are going to try something they've never done before...gearing the season to be in excellent position to draft D'arnold (ie tanking)
But a lot also has to do with them shooting themselves in the foot. 1991, if they hadn't taken Rob Moore in the supplemental draft they could have done some maneuvering, maybe drop back to the late 1st or early 2nd and grabbed Favre. Instead they get Moore, lose the 1st round pick and are 1 pick behind the Falcons in the 2nd round, losing out on Favre. Always trying to force the issue has more to do with it than anything. I think always trying to trade back and accumulate picks is the way to go unless you are absolutely sure on the player. The Jets are forever trading picks to move up on a chance a player is going to be the one. Gives them less and less chances to find that once in a generation player.
Falcons traded Favre to the Packers because that is where Ron Wolf went after leaving the Jets. Wolf was the one wanting Favre in that draft, who knows he might have stayed if they got Favre.
lol @ when we drafted a deep threat air raid QB (Geno) and tried to force him to be a short yardage west coast QB with no blocking nor good WRs and blamed everything on Geno. I think Rex Ryan was the QB killer if anything.. I can't remember any other QB's with potential that we drafted (unless you were impressed with Sanchez's one year in USC) but still that was Rex's work. The new era is still TBD .. I liked Petty too though coming out.. last year jets were bullshitting and the way they let him get lit up every game (Esp in that Miami game) was just sinister.. hopefully they didn't ruin his confidence too early on.
I would say we're less so QB killers, and more a franchise that is historically inept at evaluating the talent of QBs.
I think that's true, but they've also been historically inept at evaluating everything. So I have to ask the question: why? I think it boils down to the fact that they have no vision, no blueprint for what they want the team to be. And as a result, they draft and sign players in a hodgepodge way, chasing "talent", instead of finding the right talent to fit their blueprint. The Steelers, Packers, Pats, Broncos to name perennial powers have a blueprint and they sign players that fit it. Following that formula you don't necessarily need "the BEST" player at each position because the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. It's why even Brady can be out, and BB throws Joe QB in there and keeps winning. The Jets need to decide what their blueprint is and follow it religiously. It's the only path to a winning franchise.
