I think he meant winning a Super Bowl. Not until Elway had Davis the Broncos relied on the pass way too much. Sent from my SM-G986U using Tapatalk
I agree... to a point. Let's not crown him king... but he is on the throne. We ain't drafting another qb next year. Once the OL gets it's shit together we'll be able to better judge Zach and his ability to win us a VLT.
Agree brother. It's about hope. Hope! When was the last time you looked at one of our young QBs and said ... this is the type of guy will make a tough play at an inflection moment of a mission critical game? He has the potential, and the attitude to realize it. Agree with all the comments made about the Jets ability to ruin him. Not to mention the football gods propensity. I'm just excited that I was wrong about Darnold!
Here's my thought on Zack. There are currently at least 5 QBs in the NFL we can only HOPE&PRAY that Zack becomes half as good as. But even if Zack becomes JUST AS GOOD, it's not enough. Every week we see teams with top QBs going down in flames. Aaron Rogers, the reigning NFL MVP went down in flames. Bills with the latest anointed FQB crashed and burned. Mahomes looked human 99% of his game against the Brownies...and Mayfield who looked like GOD the first 99% of the game, but lost it on a terrible INT. And don't even remind me of the last SB....team with the best QB ever pounded into submission. So I want to avoid thinking our success depends on how great Zack becomes....it does to an extent, but there's MUCH more to a good team than a really good QB. I really hope that 10-20 years from now the Jets aren't known for having the best QB ever but never winning a SB. I don't want us to be Marino'd. I guess a good GM and good coaching is the other half to the equation. We really need JD to hit on FAs and draft picks over and over again....especially down the road when we only have one pick per round, probably in the lower half. So Zack can be as great as we all hope, but unless JD is just as great in his job, it will all be for nothing. Go JOE!!! Get er done. My mental and emotional health are depending on you!!!
I can already clearly see that he has the arm talent, the leadership, the poise, the smarts and the work ethic to lead us to a VLT. They need to fix the freaking OL and play calling.
Yessir. I think our oline/running game allowed a rookie HC/QB in Rex/Nacho reach the CCG twice. If we can't solve the oline puzzle, we shoulda just kept Hackenburg and be done with it.
I completely agree with your point but you're also picking this one week as an example. How long have the Packers been dominant? How long have the Patriots been dominant? How long were the Saints dominant? How long were the Steelers dominant? Zach being as good as these guys makes the entire team better.
Zach gives me hope for the future. My only fear is that the horrible O-line our GM assembled gets him seriously injured before he gets a real opportunity.
Strongly agree. Thoughts: 1- Robby Anderson has been the only JD move I questioned. 2- Besides giving up on Darnold before we saw what Darnold could do with a coach, OL, and weapons. 3- We now know. Sam with an OL, coach, and weapons will beat bad teams, but will NOT win the game. Which will be needed to win big games. 4- I'm no longer questioning JD on Zach vs Sam. Amen JD. 5- I loved JD's moves on the OL. 6- I loved JD's hiring of Saleh. 7- I'm deeply concerned about Lafleur. Desperately hope I'm wrong. You build the scheme around the talent. 8- If the offense sputters, Lafleur remains inflexible, and we force Zach to lift this team up, then I pray that Saleh chooses loyalty to the team over loyalty to his OC hire and long time friend. 9- If not, Douglass will need to do to Saleh, what he did to the guy who brought him in (Gase). The hardest thing for new executives, like Saleh, is recognizing that loyalty is first, second and third to the mission. 10- This year's mission is developing the Zach led offense (and not getting Zach killed)
More evidence of why Zach Wilson is going to be a great QB: Zach Wilson Postgame Press Conference (9/12) | New York Jets vs. Carolina Panthers | NFL - Bing video What I get from this is that Zach already knows what unfolded before him, and wasn't confused by any of it, but he'll look at the film to see how he - and his teammates can improve, and most importantly, he has the smarts to be able to dissect the film and see these things and not rely on his coaches to explain it. I appreciate his humility and shouldering the responsibility for the struggles even though we know most of that wasn't his fault. His teammates ought to appreciate this too.
I hear ya. But the Pack has been dominant for a decade with just one ring. Same with the Saints. Lamar is going on year 4 or 5 and hasn't sniffed a ring. That's my point...it takes more than just a good/great QB.
Oh for sure! I agree with that point. I was just saying it because those teams have been dominant for YEARS under those QBs. Whether they have put it all together and won multiple Super Bowls is a different story. It's a team game. But the signal caller makes that team far better than what they may be on paper. The Brady effect is real.
That's why I'm thinking it's time to move on from our FQB quest that dominated this board for the last decade. Assume we got our guy now, and start looking at GM drafting and coaching....the 'other half' of winning franchises. Now that we have Zack, we REALLY need JoeD to be above avg rounding out the rest of the team. Starting with the Oline (ugg). Mims and Moore too...JD burnt TWO second round picks on WRs, who should be our #1 and #2...but they had 2 catches COMBINED last sunday. Another ugg.
With Elijah Moore, I chalk that up to a rookie in his first NFL start ever. His drops were completely nerves. One of them was clearly a pass interference, but the other issues I think was him settling in. I think Elijah Moore is going to have a great year once he calms down. In regards to Mims, LOL, there's a lot there. I genuinely do not think Mims fits this system and his playing time has proven that. JD drafted Mims for an offense Gase ran. This new style does not fit his play and I think that is showing.
I agree about Moore. Three other highly touted rookie receivers had drops in their first preseason game. Moore didn't have a chance to get that over with in preseason. It just seems like something most rookie receivers go through their first start. I give Moore a pass for Sunday and expect him to trend upwards as the season progresses. He's got the tools to be a playmaker.
Agree and with all the praise in training camp, there is no way he continues to look the way he did. Elijah Moore will be a playmaker in this league. He just needs to get his feet under him. The sky is the limit for that kid!
He definitely showed some promising signs but I also thought we finally had a QB after Pennington & Darnold’s first starts, time will tell. As to those saying we don’t have the players to run the scheme. No Shit, LMAO. This was the first offseason of a complete rebuild, next offseason will be the most important offseason the Jets have had on a long time and will be a strong determining factor of whether or not this rebuild will be a success. I’m gonna let it play out.
He didnt WANT help...an AMAZING arm talent but basically was a dick who blamed everyone else. Thats why he and Jimmy Johnson clashed. Jimmy wanted a run based O....
