Tannenbaum got us into cap hell because he built a team that got us in contention. The Jets arguably had the best overall team in football in 08 before Favre got hurt and we made solid runs in 09 and 10 although in 10 there were already signs of decay. Tearing down the team is the easy part. It's building it back into a contending team where Idzik will earn his money. I don't think we will have a good idea if he is any good at this until the 2016 season.
That's the actual state of the roster. With a full draft, a Rvis trade..and close to 20 million in cap sace during the deepest most unwanted free agent class in memory. Last years opening day offense was fine. Even if the OC wasn't. Injuries killed the offense last year, not bad play by the opening day cast. Big difference. And you've upgraded at OC.
Fair enough bout CB being the same. Although if Revis were to come back you guys would def be better there. LB is definitely not a wash at worst. Idk why people have this idea that getting rid of marginal players automatically makes that unit better when you don't know who the replacement is. Speed isn't the only, or even most important, factor when it comes to linebacking. Same with Greene/Keller/etc. Losing players does not equal adding value to their respective positions. If you're saying it is too early to tell, I would agree. But to go further than that is absurd.
As I said in another post, I'll wait 12-18 months until I give Idzik a grade. I want to see what he does this year in FA and the draft and then more importantly, I want to see what he does after next season when we come out of cap hell and he has more financial flexibility to help build this roster. So by next May after the 2014 FA and draft season I'll be able to give Idzik a complete grade. It's too soon now to give him an honest grade, whether good or bad.
Completely agree with your comparison. I said the same thing to my buddy yesterday. Idzik, like Sandy, is letting the market play itself out. He hasn't made a big splash (overpay for a FA), and instead is taking the 'wait and see' approach. As time goes on, he'll pay fair market value to good (albeit not great) players, hoping to find a few diamonds in the rough that he can then retain moving forward. With the cap position we were in, this is the most logical and sound approach a GM can take; build through the draft and supplement the rest of the team with good, solid role players.
I couldn't agree more. I like the direction so far that Idzik is taking this team so far. Sometimes the most popular move is not the best move. He's making strategic moves to make this team more competitive with little to work with.
It all depends on Quarterback play. Offensive weapons should be much better next year, and I don't know about ya, but the "attack" offense that Marty's been talking about sounds pretty exciting. If there's one think I'm worries about, its defense. There's gonna be a lot of new faces out there next year. If we trade Revis, we need good safetys back there and at this point I don't think that we have them. 3 new LBs and 2 new safety's has me worried, but I believe in Rex, and I think that this defense can pull it off again.
I think people are getting that idea, myself included, because our linebacker play was as bad as it was expensive last year. Scott was limited and little used, Thomas was injured and replaced by McIntire who is still on the roster, Harris is still here as well, Pace was below average in both run support and pass rushing. One mid level FA, one draft pick, and Demario Davis playing as well as he did last year and we are no worse off there, if not better than last year. Keller played little last season. I would love to have hi back, but the unit as of right now looks no worse than 90 % of what we saw last year. At RB I think we will see more of Powell who statistically preformed similar to green and will most likely add a low tier FA and/or a draft pick there. Again I don't foresee a huge drop off from the squad that lead us to the 6 and ten record. The big holes are at safety where Josh Bush and Antonio Allen are both unproven players, as of this point we have no guards, and our QB situation can at best be called in flux. If MM can make Sanchez look like an NFL QB again things are looking up, if not its a long season.
In regards to OLB we still have that Bellore kid who chomping at the bit to start. Totally agree with the OP, I think we should definitely target a TE in rounds 2 and 3 maybe even 2 of them in the draft overall.
I think that is going to be the hardest part. getting a top QB, either in the deraft or elsewhere. Let's face it: it probably has to be the draft. Rex is a pretty good coach, and he may keep a no talent team out of the bottome 5 or 6.
All i know is there is gonna be alot of new faces on the team next season, I hope Osi is one of them since we lost Devito, We need to replace alot of players threw the draft and FA, Possibly Landry,Bell Devito,Pace,Bryan Thomas,Bart Scott,Greene,Keller,Brandon Moore,Pouha,Eric Smith, alot of spots to fill the ravens just released Pollard!!!!!
I really starting to wonder if some of the people now posting here are now working for the Jets promotions department. I can see that many of the the old timers have already jumped ship and stopped posting. Being excited about a roster that has zero hope in being competitive is crazy. Our biggest issue is Butt fumble boy and nothing is being done to correct it. They have already pretty much said that Sancho is our starter next season. All I see are posts about waiting to see how well we draft this year, from the most talent less draft class I have ever seen. or posts about how Revis is selfish. The guy left his heart and soul on the field every game, that's not selfish.
I see no hope for next season, coaching change, rinse and repeat. Unless they suck sooo bad they add Johnny Football or Clowney then we are talking.
Except for the cap hit that it would cause. So it would not be a splash in the right direction at all. It would make our already horrible cap, horrible beyond comprehension.
Don't forget McIntyre. Cumberland, Smith and Reuland are serviceable. Outside of Eiffert, I don't see any of the TEs in this draft as overly special athletes that justify a high pick unless we get multiple picks for Revis. As to the OP, you are correct. Our roster needed a major overhaul, and this is the year to rebuild. To some, it looks like we are giving up, but this is what winning organizations do (look at Steelers, Ravens, Pats) to remain competitive. Now, we have to have faith in our scouting department to draft talented players and sign inexpensive FAs to fill in the gaps, and in our coaching staff to get the most out of this talent. We have a long way to go.
Yes, that..all these positive comments about Idzik sound exactly like the drivel we were hearing here about Tannenbaum as recently as two years ago before people finally started to wake up. Let's give him a year or two at least and then start making a judgement on how he is doing.
Demario Davis may have played well but it was not enough to tell how well he would hold up as a starter, especially in Bart Scott's role. Can he stuff the run? Who knows at this point. I just think it is really easy to say your gonna fill one of those LB spots with a draft pick. It better be above a 3rd or it better pan out in a big way since Davis sat on the bench as a 3rd round pick. That's really all I'm saying is that the LB corp being better is certainly not backed by anything definite. And your right about Keller not playing much but without him back I don't see how it is better. The same is the best guess. I think the run game will be the same or worse. Powell is better than Greene IMO but then again in limited duty we thought Greene was good so who knows. With the guard spots being unknowns I feel that the running game is another category you simply have to chalk up as the same or worse as of this moment. I guess what I'm saying is just purely common sense at it's root. We don't know anything until these guys step on the field.
I'm fine with all that is going on.......I want draft picks for Revis next. Excited to right the ship and get back on track.
