Anthony Clement Beats Out Adrain Jones

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  1. fenwyr

    fenwyr Active Member

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    Because I think he is leaner than he needs to be at tackle, whether or not he is bigger than Kendall. I like my OG's supersized. DT's are just too big these days, other than ours, of course.
     
  2. legler82

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    I read somewhere that many NFL experts feel that the days of supersized offensive linemen are coming to an end. The trend is that teams are starting to look for of smaller more athletic offensive linemen to match the athleticism of the newer defensive linemen.
     
  3. PRPitbull

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    Im alluding more to the difference in talent level. When Jones played LT, he wasnt impressive. D'Brick is VERY VERY impressive. This kid is under a microscope and is excelling. Jones is just a converted TE experiment. Theres a huge difference between the two, when it comes to both of them playing LT. One is really good, the other is a backup for life
     
  4. Sinjz

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    It's funny how many times I''ve read that 'Jones is a LT, not a RT' in this thread, when half the people saying so said RT was his 'natural' position a couple of months earlier! :rofl:
     
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    yeah, but are you comparing someone who's just a servcieable body at the position (most important, and hardest to fill on the oline) who's been replaced with someone with the potential to be allpro?
     
  6. Angry Teste

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    Ummm...OK. LT only has to take on the best pass rushing DT, and protect the blindside...he was NEVER even a DECENT LT...RT should be a lot easier for him...
     
  7. Angry Teste

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    And we can't forget his nickname..."Turnstile"...
     
  8. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Clearly some of you are rather ignorant. The footwork is completely different on the rightside then it is the left side. The left side also faces the right defensive end. If you take a look at the right defensive end spot around the league, it is the home of the best speed rushers in the NFL. Taking on speed rushers is a job that Adrian Jones can do. His problem is the big punishers on the right side, where the left defensive ends are usually bigger run stoppers. The right defensive side is usually home to the bigger nose tackle is and the guard will almost never help out a left tackle which is why he needs quick feet in one on one protection. If they twist, then usually the tackle can be screwed by being overpowered, and the guard screwed because the end is fast. Twists leave a huge hole to run through though since you then push your guy out.

    It's no secret that right tackles often have to be bigger mauler types because of this. There's a reason a guy like Marcus McNeil, a four year starter at left tackle, barely letting up a sack since his freshmen season, is an NFL right tackle. Why? Because he's too slow, big and clumsy to setup on the left side, but can absolutely maul people on the right side, because the rightside is usually the stronger runblocking side. There's a reason the Jets wouldn't give Kareem McKenzie his $37 million dollar contract. Why? Because that's absurd for a guy who will never play left tackle. Much easier to find a good run blocker then it is pass blocker, and McKenzie was a run blocker primarily. Helped out a lot by a veteran line around him (especially Randy Thomas early in his career and Kevin Mawae).

    The problem with Jet fans is that they ignore the weaknesses and pick out the strengths. Offensive line was a weakness last year so most just tended to ignore each players individual's play and focus on the play of the line as a whole. To say Adrian Jones can't play the left side is retarded and really means most of you didn't watch games.

    I have no idea why the guy whom thinks I'm a post whore said that most people said he was a natural right tackle. I'd like to find one single post where anyone ever said that.
     
  9. Jonathan_Vilma

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    That's probably because they realize that bigger defensive lineman's career peaks are only so longer. They just simply break down and can't do it anymore due to being way too top heavy.
     
  10. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Ed Blanton is a big mofo. I'm surprised the god damn guy can get down in a three point stance, let alone block. Holy shit @ 6'9", 346 lbs.

    Bah didn't mean to triple post. Just reading through the thread. The above was a double post due to pressing the post button too much. LoL.
     
  11. Twombles

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    I think we will see a fair bit of shuffling going on in the line till we can get it sorted out
     
  12. ScotsJet

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    There was an article on the nyj.com homepage that said exactly that in the offseason after the draft. I laughed then and I laugh now. As you say, Jones is a LT and cannot compete at RT.
     
  13. James Hasty

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    While I still think Jones sucks as a tackle (left or right), I would give him a chance at guard. We are very thin at the guard position and Jones may take over for Kendall one day.
     
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    Link? I don't recall anyone ever saying RT was Jones' natural position. He was a TE that moved to LT, period.
     
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    Jets | Mangini says A. Jones has not yet lost starting job
    Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:45:54 -0700

    Mark Cannizzaro, of the New York Post, reports despite the fact New York Jets OT Adrian Jones has played with the second team a bit of late, he hasn't necessarily lost his starting right tackle job, according to head coach Eric Mangini. Mangini said Jones playing several different positions has nothing to do with whether he'll start or not.
     
  16. Serphnx

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    I thought AJ was a weak LT as well. I think he's in his proper position now, backup LT. If he's really so good, why aren't we getting trade offers from most of the NFL? For AJ to really have been a "great" LT, or even "above average" he must be better than atleast half the other LTs in the league right? This is a case of Jet fan homerism plus sheep mentality. One guy said AJ was our best O-lineman and did well, and so many others just stepped in line to repeat it. Kurt is one of the few posters on this site that I trust for O-line, but there's a line between trust and not thinking for yourself. I disagree on your assessment on AJ my friend.
     
  17. lightning

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    You should talk, I don't see how anyone watches the jets with their head up their ass...

    Once again sounds like an example of only forming an opinion of the guy after a report and others have spoken. I've never seen you complain about jones untill now.


    And all of a sudden EVERYONE knows how bad he is according to you.
     
    #57 lightning, Aug 23, 2006
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  18. This is a great post and is absolutely true. AJ did struggle at times last year. No one is denying that. But at the top of his game at LT(which i'd say was at least 4-5 games) he was by far our best lineman and was very impressive.

    The problem is...like you said..people only look at the line as a whole...and commonly only notice individual lineman's performance if it is A. pointed out by the given telecast or B. They make a mistake.

    Jones played LT for us last year. Lt's commonly face the best DE's in the league. Every LT..Pace, Walter Jones, you name it...is gonna get beat from time to time. They just face too many different stunts and speed moves from clearly more athletic defenders. The only reason they don't get criticized is b/c they play on better lines than AJ did last year and b/c they're constantly being hyped by the media as the best in the business.

    I've been saying over and over again that AJ is NOT an RT. He is too small, and not physical enough to play the position sufficiently. His strengths are athleticism and quickness..which makes him a good fit at LT. Unfortunately for him... Brick has much more upside...so for now...AJ is a back-up whom will be a long term project at LG.
     

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