A drop of clean water in a body of water that is putrid does not make a difference, Gase, Gore and Sam have to go. Leave the team in JDs hands and move on. This same team last year with Robby and Jamal Adam’s was 1-7 midway though the season, they benefited from a soft schedule and put together what turned out to be a facade of good football. A team can’t be reflective of its schedule, weak schedule HC and QB look like Montana and Walsh, tough schedule HC and QB look like Kotite and Leaf. I give Bush and defense more credit than Gase and Sam.
Hey I am a first time poster. I love football and I love the Jets. However, there are many issues on this team that need to be addressed. I am sure all agree. I believe winning starts from the top down. Ownership is extremely important. Ownership needs to be all in. They need to be all about football 24/7, 365. For instance look at the most storied franchises. Teams like the Patriots with Kraft, the Steelers and the Rooney Family, and most recently the Chiefs and the Hunt families. Each of these families loves football. They live it, they breath it, and they constantly do anything possible to improve their rosters. Ownership is so important. Secondly, COACHING in the NFL is paramount. Good coaches with good schemes win! To win in this league, you need to not only have a competent QB you need an above average O-Line. A quality offensive line coach is worth every penny! Protection is paramount. The head coach must be competent. I do not believe we are lacking with our QB but I believe we are lacking with our coaching! We can improve our oline. Stack that oline with quality first rounders. Our pick should be the Tackle from Oregon Sewell. LT and RT will be solidified for the next 10 years.
Carson Wentz is really the strangest case of drop off I think the NFL has ever seen. Before he got hurt he was probably going to win the MVP or finish in the top 5 at the very least. The Super Bowl obviously got to his head. Foles was a god in that town and the Eagles chose him over Foles. It was a no-win situation for Wentz because he would have to try to duplicate a SB win to ever be regarded as highly as the backup they let go. I still think he can be a good player. And people here acting like he's just always going to be garbage are being a little bit naive as to how good he really was for those three middle years flanked by this year and his so-so rookie season. But I don't think he's a good player for the Jets situation. Too much of a long term financial commitment. Unless the financials are worked out that we can get out from under him after two years, I don't think it'd be a good move to bring him in.
I would say Sam had a good above average game, but you make the exact point that needs to be made here: it's was just that one good, not great, game. In the entire season. Every single QB in NFL had a game like that and more. In fact, Sam has the worst passer rating in NFL overall including this game. I am simply unable to fathom why some good folks on this board suggest 20-22 mil per year extension, then call in bargain, when the guy just had a year evaluation, and finished as THE WORST in NFL. Let's get real here, Sam didn't have a good year, but had the worst year of any QB. That to me constitutes absolute failure during evaluation process. To extend that paying 20+ mil year, or to extend at all, would make JD absolutely incompetent to the degree we have not yet seen a Jets GM before, and there have been plenty of absolutely idiotic examples.
He's the John Abraham of QBs. Stud talent yet seemingly always injured come playoff time. Wentz to New England is my guess.
If they start Morgan NOW they might as well turn in the Fields draft card immediately after the game. You can't start James Morgan over your third-year QB for one game, that isn't going to be any kind of an indicator of long-term development, it'll just cement that we can't move forward with Sam.
Welcome to the board. I totally disagree with you that we aren't lacking with our QB. Sam has been awful, and I don't believe that he has what it takes to become even a very good QB, much less an elite one. I'm sorry, but the idea of stacking the OL with first rounders is dumb. Doing that, you wind up with way too much of your cap tied up in the OL, and then you don't have the money to pay for elite skill position players. Great OLs can be built with on only one or two first round picks and the rest taken in the 2nd round or lower and even with an UDFA mixed in. Our pick should definitely NOT be Sewell. That would be one of the worst moves Douglas could make.
Just signing a few value picks will not get it done. He needs to spend a chunk of money, which means he's going to have to sign at least one big name FA, maybe two.
Well we are in a pickle building a great OL is definitely a pathway to success, but not necessarily to a Suoerbowl. The QB is the path to a Super Bowl. we saw first hand when we had a top 5 OL we went to the two AFC championship games, and that was with Sanchez. We also saw the Cowboys ride the best OL full of first rounders to multiple playoffs. Two great examples of building a great OL and riding that to the playoffs. but neither team actually made it to the Super Bowl, let alone won it. I do think we need to improve our OL. I wouldn’t be opposed to drafting the great OT this year necessarily, but we just really screwed our selves by winning. I don’t know everything about these QBs but I do know that Fields is light years behind TL, and I don’t think he’d be a good pick for us
We're definitely in a tough spot now. We're basically going to be forced to reach for Fields or Wilson at this point. It's not ideal but what's the alternative? Trot Sam out there again next season? We will have 3 remaining fans if we do that.
Honestly if you judge it by this board fans would vastly prefer to roll the dice on Sam + new coach for one year rather than draft the overrated Fields. Especially if someone else thinks Fields is a franchise QB and you can get a haul trading down. The urgency factor is another reason I initially brought up Wentz though, he's got more of a track record than anyone else that's realistically gonna be their QB at this point. If he's really the headcase some have made him out to be though, Douglas won't go there cause he presumably knows him even better than we do.
Idk. If we're starting Sam at QB next year I probably won't watch. I've seen more than enough of Sam to know who he is and what our ceiling is with him. I'll be watching intently if we have Fields or Wilson though.
Fields has some of the same issues as Darnold. His footwork is bad. He struggles in the pocket and is slow to make the decision to throw the ball. We saw how those issues hamper Darnold in the NFL. Hopefully we dont go through it again with Fields
Well said. Let's not dismiss the break we got on the Sack on the first drive of the third qtr. Sam running for the sideline, ball in one hand below his waist. Had it knocked free, fortunately it hit his foot and rolled out of bounds or it would have gone the other way for a TD. Sill the same mental issues, no awareness and terrible ball security.
