No way. You want to give this guy millions for 800 yards and 3 TD's? The Jets have to do better than that in free agency and the draft.
I think CotcheryFan is right that the more common way to come up with a #1 receiver is through the draft. Teams usually franchise #1 WR talents that are good team-mates. It does happen that FA receivers can bloom with new teams. There is also a market for WR's who are seen as head cases or prima donnas (e.g., we did pretty well with our gamble on Brandon Marshall). Because we're so thin at WR, if Golladay and Godwin are franchised as rumored, we will then have to pay the market rate (i.e.,10 M plus) for the likes of Samuel, Cory Davis, or JuJu. Unless we want to take a huge gamble on somebody like Beckham?
I don't think Toney will be a #1 WR. He's more of a slot WR. His being so quick and elusive should help with his taking big shots (if Sam isn't the QB), but still I don't think he has the size to take the pounding and be the #1 go to guy. I think Mims will develop into our #1. Toney would be a great complement to Mims and would be the #2 or maybe even slide into the slot after Crowder's contract is up and the Jets add another #2. I'm a firm believer in building through the draft and drafting to the strength of the draft. You're right that FA WRs are risky, but I think Davis or Robinson would not be so risky. If Wilson is starting day one, he needs a proven go-to WR like Robinson, Godwin, or Golladay, or at least two solid options in Davis and Mims. Samuels could be an ascending player, but then again, 800 yards could be his ceiling. I like that he can run the ball as well, but it's possible that the Jets could add Javian Hawkins in the 5th round. He's faster than Samuel. He's not as proven a WR, but with Hawkins, Toney, Mims, Crowder, and a quality TE on the field, opposing DCs could have nightmares. That would be great speed and versatility on the field. Getting Wilson is a must. Adding Toney would be a HUGE plus. I think the Jets need to come out of the draft with Wilson two WRs, an OG, a RT, a RB, and either a CB or DE. One of the WRs could be a 5th or 6th round burner like Ihmir Smith-Marsette. If we can sign either Hendrickson or Lawson, we may be able to wait until next year to draft a DE, so the draft could look something like the following. DRAFT: PICK 2: Wilson QB 23: K.Toney WR 34: S. Cosmi, or T. Jenkins, or J. Mayfield, or D. Radunz RT 37: I. Melifonwu CB 66: B. Jordan TE 86: A. Banks OG 98: Jaret Patterson RB 130: Drake Jackson C 138: Ihmir Smith-Marsette WR/Return Man 162: STs Gunner Next year's DE class may not be as deep, but it supposedly will have 2-3 blue chip DEs whereas this year's class has none. With our getting our QB this year, and already having our LT, we would be free next year to focus solely on DE in the early rounds. We could possibly even trade up if absolutely necessary to get the guy we want.
So who would be the Jets linebackers under the scenario above? Personally, I'm not convinced that we need to draft an, at best, 5th receiver to sit on the bench while our FA WR, Mims, Crowder, and our 1st round rookie WR fight for limited snaps. As for the handful of special teams snaps that this extra receiver could provide, I was impressed with Vyncint Smith as a returner and potential gunner, with no draft choice investment. In addition, V. Smith has shown flashes on offense showing that he can be a valuable 5th/6th receiver. I was thinking it will be important to draft some fresh talent at LB, as Mosley isn't getting younger and cashman is injury prone. We can only go so far with cast-off free agent linebackers as depth.
I would rather go with Will Fuller over Samuels. Unless Samuels's price tag is around 7 million. No way I pay him over 10.
Yes, Fuller is another possibility. According to PFF estimates, he will cost 17.5 M per year. PFF currently listing Godwin as causing 22 M per, Robinson 21,Golladay 21.25, JuJu 17, Corey Davis 16.25, and Samuel 8.5. This raises the question for me, who is the best bang for the buck? If Samuel indeed costs half of what the other guys cost, I think it's Samuel.
I understand your question and concern. I would see Jayon Brown as one starter, Mosely in the middle and the other starter would be one of Onwuasor (if they bring him back), or one of Cashman, Huff, Bryce Hager, John Daka, or maybe they sign another FA LB like Matt Judon. That's just one option for the draft. The thing is, I doubt a LB taken in the 4th/5th round is going to make that much a difference, and they're not going to be able to fill all their holes this year anyway. I'm sure that JD and Saleh will have a plan for the LBs. They may sign two FA LBs. He could trade down in the 2nd or with one of the 3rd round picks and acquire another pick. I agree that Mosley is getting older and he hasn't played in two years. For that reason, they may bring Hewitt back. Cashman has been injury-prone. STs shouldn't be ignored. It's too critical. We can't keep fair catching punts and getting meh field position. I like Smith, but he's had a couple of seasons and hasn't really impressed yet. He's made a few plays. We need more than Crowder, Mims, a FA,Toney, Berrios, and V. Smith. J. Smith might be back, but imo Malone, Jaleel Scott, and Josh Doctson should be deep-sixed. Cager may be able to make the team. One of the things that Saleh, LaFleur, and JD have spoken about is improving the team speed, particularly on offense. They may pass on Toney, however, and look to take a LB within the 1st 3 rounds.
https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/01/09/why-the-new-york-jets-should-target-curtis-samuel-in-free-agency/ This guy can do so many things for us. Outside, inside, backfield, screens, and would come cheap compared to other options.
True, but cheap shouldn't be our primary concern when looking to provide a reliable target for Zach Wilson. Samuel isn't a #1 WR. He may be ascending or he may have already reached his ceiling. Frankly, I'd rather have Kadarius Toney, Javian Hawkins, Demtric Felton, or Rondale Moore than Samuel. We need a reliable veteran receiver other than Crowder. Samuel isn't it imo. I like him, and wouldn't be upset if we signed him, but I don't think it's the best way to go.
I would rather have Robinson. He's proven those two Tampa Bay receivers I would stay away from. Brady makes guys look good how many have looked good after leaving New England. Any QB the Jets go with will need reliable guys he can go to. Mims had a short term last year and nobody knows what e can do over a full season. So it's even more important Douglas get this part of the offseason right.
I agree on Maulet. He could develop into a good slot corner. He's listed at 5'10" but he looks shorter than that and has short arms. Too small to play safety dude. The Bengals game is good tape to watch Auden Tate and Tyler Boyd literally taking the ball from him because he was too small. You don't want guys like that competing for balls down the field. As far as tightends go, my guy was Charlie Kolar but I guess I missed that he's going back to school. I have a couple guys deeper down a lot of conventional draft boards that have big question marks as far as blocking is concerned - simply because they've never really been asked to do it. Kenny Yeboah from Ole Miss is a guy I like a lot. I don't want to insult Kyle Pitts but he's in the same athletic mold although not as good of a leaper (pretty good though). He has serious wheels in the open field and might be a good YAC threat like Kittle. Needs to get stronger. This guy might be an UDFA honestly because he's pretty undersized but I liked what I saw from Kylen Grandson on SMU. Soft heads, good athlete. He's just small and probably not a true in-line Y. We might look at Farrell or Ruckert from OSU late because they both block and could be serviceable receivers with some work. I generally always want a tightend that blocks as well since we've missed it badly since Becht. I don't think this is the year to get a tightend high though if it's not Pitts.
I definitely think we need to add a TE. If we don't sign Jonnu Smith in FA, then I think we definitely need to draft one of Freiermuth, Brevin Howard, or Hunter Long. If we miss on all of those maybe take a flyer on Tommy Tremble. I don't think LaFleur will have any interest in a TE that isn't pretty fast and can't block. While Yeboah is a good receiver, the blocking thing could hurt him. That's why I think Freiermuth would be a great add. He's not a burner, but he's fast for his size, will create mismatches, and can get down the seam. He's a very good blocker already and has soft hands.
I have no idea where to post this after writing it out, so fuck it, it can go in here, knock yourselves out tearing it to bits lol QB C.J. Beathard 2 years $3-4m?- If we are trading back or taking a QB and sitting for a year and trading Sam, then I'd be happy to take this guy for a season and then as back up. WR Curtis Samual 4 years @40m, would be a good fit in this new system and I also like Demarcus Robinson 3 years @9-15m, from KC, underused due to their large supporting cast imo. TE Jonnu Smith 5 years @36-40m, he could be a beast mode for us. G Joe Thuney 5 years @76m, seems a big outlay tbh but he is the best out there and we need guards, I would look to draft Wyatt Davis for RG DE Trey Hendrickson 3 years @$30m, a good solid player and would hugely improve us or Carl Lawson CB Shaquill Griffin 4 years @$44m (take his brother also at LB and see what he has in the locker) I would imagine we will be taking Sherman from the 49er's tbh. I used spotrac's calculated market value for most of the contracts, I guess that would eat up a large portion of cap space. You should never go on those free agency sites, it is like a kid in a sweet store, want want want want and I'll have one of those as well please, oh thank you
Great post. You've picked exactly the kinds of younger players the Jets need, in my opinion. For example, I like the idea of Griffin more than the accepted wisdom pick of Richard Sherman. My impression has been that older free agents come to the Jets to collect a last paycheck and avoid getting injured at all costs. They might be motivated on a winning team to cap off their career with a Super Bowl ring, but they particularly lose interest if the rebuilding team loses some games when they are used to playoff contention. When I factor in our potential PTSD as a slowing, 33-year-old Sherman attempts to stay with the Tyreek Hills of the world, I get the shakes as I remember our history of grief in trotting out older, slowing cornerbacks (Revis, Johnson, Claiborne, Desir, etc.). One addition that should be highest priority is Golladay. Having a young, big, physical #1 receiver would do wonders for our young quarterback (whoever he is) and our offense generally.
