I know the media would like for everyone to think you can go get a gun out of a vending machine on the corner but if you are a convicted felon or have been court ordered to stay in a mental facility this is already true. Of note, with two shootings within the past couple of years government employees either failed to update databases or used the wrong information to conduct a background check where both of these should have prevented the shooter from obtaining a gun. So the government who many think is going to keep them safe from every boogie man out there is just a bunch of regular people who fuck up just like the rest of us. Some would suggest they fuck up more than the average person, but that's none of my business. You have to be careful about the next part. You can't just allow the government to create secrets lists and take away rights based on it. Figure out a way for people to get their day in court before ending up on the list, or at the very least to get themselves off the list in a timely manner if they shouldn't be on it. This background check already occurs. I'm not sure if it's a national database or an application that allows them to query state databases, but the check already exists today. ok - not sure how you could possibly enforce this other than to throw someone in jail after the fact if something horrible happens and you can prove the gun wasn't properly locked up. I'm not sure how much of a deterrent that is for someone who is retarded enough to store guns unsecured in a house with a nut case, but sure, worth a try. Violent crime, OK. Illegal gun & any crime - great. legal gun and a non-violent offense. I don't like it. I also don't like forcing the hand of judges when there are clearly situations where his best judgement should be used to give a reduced sentence or even none at all. Even the legal gun and violent offense is troublesome in some scenarios. For example, if I'm carrying my pistol and some asshole starts a fight with me - throws a sucker punch or whatever, I defend myself (leaving my pistol concealed) fighting back and whoop his ass. I press charges and so does he. Witnesses only saw the part where I responded to his sucker punch, not the sucker punch. Now I'm doing 10 years in federal fuck you in the ass prison? Just an example of a possible scenario where this wouldn't make sense. Doesn't seem right.
So this filibuster ... Expanding "gun control ". As someone who is pro gun, I can agree with background checks, not selling to those on a terror list. Also the gun show loop hole... I can agree with some control on that too. But I think a lot of people would be surprised who is on a list in this country. Any opposition or anti government sentiment can get you on a list. There are probably a lot of citizens on a list from talking on the Internet and they do t even know it,
If they have such a list and a grade A lunatic like Hobbes isn't right at the top of it, something is very wrong.
I heard someone talking about how there have been senators and journalists on the terrorist watch list so not sure how well defined those things are
The main problem is there's no due process with getting on or off the list. That's fine for it's original intended purpose but when they start using the lists to take away citizens rights they need to put some controls on how people get added to and removed from the list. Make a reasonable way for people who shouldn't be on the list to have a day in court.
The look scary argument is disingenuous. Folks want to ban these things because they are capable of scary performance, not appearance. Paint them pink and turquoise and glue on big fuzzy ears and they'll still do the same job.
Do you believe your brother should be able to sell his guns to Omar Mateen without a background check? After all, it's legal in some venues.
Two things you may not know. I am a card carrying member of the NRA (I actually carry my NRA card in my wallet so I can say that). I am in favor of any and every form of gun control that could possibly avert something like these massacres from ever happening again, even if it infringes on some of my rights as a gun owner. I'm not a right wing gun nut opposed to any further gun reforms- I may be a dick but I'm not an idiot. I haven't shot any of my guns in years and truth be told I'd give them up tomorrow if it meant stopping this sort of thing but I'll be damned if someone is going to take them away from me because of fear mongering. I am a lawful and intelligent gun owner. As is my brother. If a guy like Mateen even walked up my brothers driveway he would send him to Allah so fast he wouldnt have time to stop for the virgins. _
So any rifle capable of semi automatic performance that had a clip should be illegal. Because you can take out a 6 cartridge clip and put in a really big one. _
I find all that very easy to believe but your brother's next door neighbor or my next door neighbor might not feel the same which is why the laws need to be tightened and enforced.
problem is Mateen was a lawful and intelligent gun owner until last week. Every one of these psychos is like you and your brother until they decide to take out a gay nightclub. Mateen wasn't born with a birthmark on his face saying he's a fucking wacko. If so, we'd gladly let you and your bro take care of matters by eliminating the fuck ahead of time. unfortunately- not an option.
That's one way of looking at it, extreme as it may be. Ask twenty people, you'll get twenty answers but until the assholes that we throw money at, elect, and then throw more money at actually take their obligations to the people, rather than a political party, seriously and do the job they are sworn to do there will be no negotiations, no solutions and more carnage. And be careful with your verbiage - you're likely to get a half dozen guys pissing on you because you called it a clip instead of a magazine. Edited to add: Yup! See above. BTW, in the US military those terms have been used interchangeably since at least WWII.
That was hyperbole. He's married, has 4 beautiful children and an incredible job. He's not throwing that all away to take out one jihadist. POSSIBLY. _
