Another Grand Jury, another free pass..

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  1. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, must be nice...

    Earlier this year in Virginia, Waynesboro police officer Kevin Quick was kidnapped and murdered by four black gang members with affiliation to a national gang from Los Angeles. Quick was driven from ATM to ATM where he was made to withdraw money, then driven into the woods where he was executed as a way for the murderers to move up in the gang.

    Nowhere in the national media was this murder of a police officer put to paper. But when a white police officer shot a black man named Michael Brown in Missouri, it made the national news for months. What hypocrites the media has become. Where is the outrage for Quick? Where are the beserk protesters burning and looting in the name of officer Quick?

    Where is Eric Holder in his indignant huff? I'll tell you where he is -- he's sitting on his hands, choosing not to speak up about the tragic death of the officer and the cold-calculating killers. Could the fact that they are black play any part in Holder's decision?

    We all know Holder is not a racist. Just listen to him speak. Even Barack Obama couldn't stand up and say it could have been him this time. He would never be a cop; however, he would be an enabler for the criminal element.

    Where is the white outrage? Where is the hatemonger Al Sharpton?

    What if white supremacists, Nazis or the Ku Klux Klan showed up in Virginia and began to riot like the socialist and communist thugs in Ferguson and St.
    Louis? Would they say the police overacted when they dragged those white thugs away? I don't think so.
    But I guess it is OK to kill a police officer, especially a white one.

    If the mainstream media had any courage, they'd put Quick's story out for consumption right next to the skewed story of the black teen from Ferguson.

    But in the eyes of the liberal media elite, when you control the press, you control the message. Quick didn't deserve what happened to him any more than Brown did, but I don't hear any wailing for the cop. What a sick country we've become.



    Read more: http://www.lowellsun.com/opinion/ci...ver-kidnap-murder-officer-quick#ixzz3KwW91Z1W
     
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  2. mute

    mute Well-Known Member

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    How often does a captain get kidnapped and later killed in the woods? What happened to him was disgusting but not national news worthy.

    The nation as a whole and some parts outside of America is tired of unarmed blacks being killed and are tired of cops getting off as if they are a higher untouchable power. That's why you see black, white, yellow, blue, and green people protesting everywhere.
     
  3. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    that's not Nat'l news worthy? seriously?

    America is being duped. America should be for ALL people getting justice. it should be newsworthy no matter what the color of the "victim".
     
  4. mute

    mute Well-Known Member

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    Its local news worthy not national. This is of course my opinion.
     
  5. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

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    My only point was this... don't say that "It must be nice to be a cop. Throw a flash grenade into a crib. Slam pregnant women down to the ground. Choke someone to death" because of the actions of an irresponsible few. I agree that they deserved to be prosecuted for what they did. However, the life of a police officer is a dangerous, scary one, and that statement cheapens the dangers that hundreds and thousands of good police officers of every race, sex, and creed face every day. In addition, it's horribly worrisome and stressful for their family members as well.

    Believe me, I know. I remember saying goodbye to my father when he left for work every morning and knowing enough to fear that this may be the last time I see him.
     
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  6. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    a police officer getting executed is not National news? if the 4 kids were white and the PO black I guarantee you it's Nat'l news.
     
  7. JetBlue

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    This is a dishonest interpretation of the events. The protesters of all races are protesting in response to the bullshit narratives that unarmed black men are being killed because they are black and the police racist, and the further dishonesty of the media portraying these black men in a manner that dismisses their culpability and purports them as innocent victims. Without any evidence of actual racism these protests are merely based on fantasy and lies.

    All you are defending is that there are dishonest people of all races or that there are people of all races who lack critical thinking abilities and are easily duped or gleefully willing to be duped by bullshit narratives. Is your defense it's a national story because people are idiots? Because that is what you are saying comes down to.
     
  8. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    I would say at this point that you cannot depend on local DA's to prosecute controversial cases involving local law enforcement agencies. You absolutely have to have an Independent Council to ensure both transparency and honesty in how evidence would be presented to any grand jury. Local DA's depend on local police to make their cases and in turn, cannot afford to offend the very people they depend on. Piss off your local PD, don't expect a lot of help on other cases that cross your desk. So it makes sense then that its easier to indict a ham sandwich than a police officer. Sandwiches don't usually carry grudges.
     
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  9. JetBlue

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    So the cops would arrest the criminal but not assist in ensuring their prosecution? Talk about baseless conspiracy nonsense that doesn't pass the logic test.

    Or perhaps there was no evidence that the police acted criminally in this case even if they broke an internal rule. There's a huge difference between the two.
     
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    Or perhaps the DA didn't really want to bring charges in the first place. I could be wrong but aren't DA's elected ? In any case, DA's can't be trusted to prosecute when its not in their best interest to do so in high profile cases. They could bring a case, but perhaps not the best case to a grand jury knowing before hand that no indictment will be handed down.

    At this rate, there will NEVER be any grounds to bring charges against any LEO ever. Now if you're one of the people that think the police are always right, you should be fine with the way things are now. An Independent Council takes all of that doubt off the table.
     
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  11. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I had never watched that video before until just now. I didn't see excessive force, I saw a giant man resisting arrest. It's a shame he died but it all could have been prevented if he just cooperated.
     
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  12. hastygreen

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    The chicken, or the egg? The chicken being the "bullshit" narrative that unarmed black men are being killed because the, insert law enforcement body (sheriff,modern police, posse, lynch mob, etc), is unquestionably biased and has decided on a nearly predetermined course of action. The egg being the behavior of recognition in identifying and being wary of these same entities.

    What's "dishonest" is to just accept a news stories pov that has been spun down to talking points and spoon fed to your personal outrage. Meanwhile completely ignoring the question of what the underlying problems are. The fact that the death of a white person at the hands of a black person isn't covered is the same reason a kindnapped/lost little black girl isn't as important as a little white girl. It's not because it's not important that these things happened. It's because it won't garner these "news" broadcasts/papers/website ratings/clicks and make money. You have to cast a critical eye at any source of news and the people that bring it to you.

    The police as it have been, and continue to be, largely out of control. It's a problem that only escalates with each time over reaction and lethal violence is overlooked. It doesn't matter what race, ethnicity really, it's against because it always begins with whatever group holds the least recognition and most disenfranchisement in any given area. In America that group, until very recently has been black people.

    However, as things change and ethnicity becomes somewhat less of an issue for the general populace. The landscape of disenfranchisement will begin broadening to include not just black and brown peoples but ALL people that fail to meet a certain level of wealth. I posted earlier in this and another thread in regards to this idea and it went largely ingorned. As folks decided to run with whatever narrative made it easier to turn face from the problem. A problem that is slowly going to become endemic as the uber elite bend things to suit their needs.

    There is no substance in existence that is all of one thing or another. There are always deviations from the norm and the police are no exception; I don't feel they are all bad guys. Enough are and the rest, for whatever reason, either aren't stepping up to stop this or turning a blind eye so that the lawlessness doesn't turn it's eye towards them. As such, I have to be wary of all interactions. For anybody that wants to interpret this as "I hate cops" it doesn't. I absolutely don't want to see these men/women needlessly harmed on duty.

    To finish up this diatribe I'm going to post this and step out of the "respectability politics circle". This link is EXACTLY the kinda bullshit I'm talking about. It's 100% wrong and it's only going to get worse. Looks like the kid was talking some shit to the cops, but that's all it was, TALK. Under no circumstances did they need to bum rush him and then get a fucking K-9 unit into the act. This is what's coming, because there is always some justification for this kinda thing right?

     
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  13. truthbtold

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    You can make that same last comment about almost every case involving these poor, innocent black people being executed by the Nazi cops. I happen to think the cop should have been indicted, but this belligerent attitude vs authority is way too common in black neighborhoods and it results in incidents like this. There seems to be this belief in the black community that they can act any way they feel like it ... And also get to choose how that behavior can be dealt with. I think these two recent rulings say something loud and clear --- The majority of America used to sympathize with the black struggle, but after seeing 40 years of the same bullshit, everyone is just sick of it. We would love it if black people would stop complaining about unfair treatment, and start cleaning up their act and join the rest of us.

    The man shouldn't have died. But Jesus Christ ---- he had a pile of previous arrests!!! .... And so did the concerned cameraman who took the video. Can anyone obey the freakin' law?? ENOUGH of this shit.
     
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  14. JetBlue

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    No, I don't believe the police are always right, but the police have a job to do that requires them to have cooperation, even if you feel you are being unjustly detained.

    The police would have zero power to enforce any law if any time someone refused to cooperate they were obligated just to walk away and leave that person alone. That is an unreasonable belief.

    So if you choose to not cooperate they are forced to restrain you. That's an individual's choice to proceed upon that course rather than cooperate.

    If that occurs and the police restrain you, and an injury or death occurs, that death alone does not equate to the police behaving criminally.

    If you believe that the police behaved criminally in this matter it is your obligation to state what law was broken by the police and present the evidence to support it. Otherwise what is the basis for your claim that an independent board needs to review this if you don't even have a criminal argument you think they should be investigating?

    But his death isn't proof of criminal action.

    I think this is a situation that seemed to warrant a trial simply because I think it could go either way. But I'm ignorant of the specific legality of whether the choke hold itself equated to criminal behavior on the part of the police simply because it was prohibited.
     
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    who's us and we? And honestly what you wrote can be said about other groups in America in any community about their stance and attitude in their area whether good or bad. The rich and the poor. The black and the white. Overall I agree with little of what you wrote.
     
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  16. HAYN

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    Any person with a brain and a clue would know not to trust a DA to handle cases like this.
     
  17. truthbtold

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    Mute --- it honestly can't be said about other groups in any community. Do you know any other people who have such an adversarial relationship with the police? It only seems to exist in black neighborhoods, and that's where these type of incidents always take place. The worst part is --- those are the places the cops are needed more than anywhere else. Let's please see the world for the way it is.

    You're right about the generalization ... I should have phrased it better. "Us" is the majority of Americans who live their lives, go to work, raise their families, pay their taxes etc. ... and that includes all races including blacks. The problem is the small subset of people who refuse to get their shit together, ruin neighborhoods, commit crime after crime, and blame everyone else for their problems. I'll ask you to tell me --- who makes up the majority of that subset?
     
  18. Umphpool

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    Disgusting... Just shocked at the verdict. The Video was there and everything. Even a fine would of been ok
     
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    typeOnegative13NY Well-Known Member

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    Pesky police. Always stopping people and making them late for church choir.
     

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