Not that I care what BB says, or anything like that, but on WEEI yesterday afternoon I was listening to an interview with him, and in more or less words he said the only reason trading up for the Jets was a worthwhile exchange is that it cost so little for the Jets to trade up. Basically because he didn't see any teams "climbing over themselves" to get Sanchez.
They've drafted and managed talent in a way that the highest drafted WR on the roster going into next season was a 4th round pick and everybody else was a 6th or 7th. I don't believe in prioritizing WR's in the draft, however you have to either have a couple of guys on the roster that you expect are better than the average player or you need to have a bunch of them all competing to take the spots. The Jets have a thin group of wide receivers who, for whatever reason, were not valued particularly highly by the rest of the NFL when they came out in the draft. It's not that the Jets don't have a clear #1. It's more like they have a clear #2 and then a small bunch of guys that we don't even know for sure belong on an NFL roster.
This is what you said: You also said in previous posts that you were ok with the Sanchez trade. So that means you wanted the Jets to use the picks they gave up in the Greene trade on RB, TE, and WR. They used the 3rd on RB. So you are basically saying that you wanted the Jets to use the other 2 picks on TE and WR. Those were 4th and 7th round picks. But now you are saying having a bunch of 4th, 6th and 7th round WRs isn't good enough. Which is it? You can't have it both ways. Sometimes it sounds like you bitch for the sake of bitching.
It has nothing to do with bitching for bitching's sake. It has to do with watching this team exercize 3 picks in a draft when they had many more holes than that to fill. Drafting a TE and a WR with the two extra picks would have gone a long way towards providing some of the depth the Jets are missing right now. Getting a decent WR or TE prospect in the 4th round (there were 4 WR's and 2 TE's taken in that round) and a prospect in the 7th (8 WR's and 4 TE's taken there) would have left the Jets in better shape than they are at the moment. Instead they packaged the extra picks to trade up ELEVEN spots to take a RB when they had Thomas Jones and Leon Washington already on the roster. What kind of prioritization of resources is that? When you trade up to get even deeper at a position you have covered and pass on two positions you are weak at? There was also a huge run of WR's taken right behind the Jet's 76 pick. They couldn't better have used one of those guys given the team's weaknesses?
What a completely deluded post. You know nothing of NFL trade value. No wonder you get so mad, you are just like a confused baby raccoon.
Now you are changing your argument yet again. When I pointed out the FO has been drafting for depth at WR with Stuckey in the 7th and Henry in the 6th, this is what you said: So first you wanted later round picks at WR, then late round WRs aren't good enough, now you are saying again that the FO needed to draft late round WRs. Which is it? Make up your damn mind. And I love how you completely ignored the part of my post where I pointed out your hypocrisy. I also find it interesting that just 2 posts ago, you were saying RB was a priority, now it wasn't because of Jones and Washington. You're not even making sense anymore.
The Sanchez trade had to be made and it is quite possible that this may end up being the best Jets move in the last 30 years. The Greene trade could be debated but really we are talking about a 4th round pick for a player that was the highest player left on their board by a wide margin. If Greene becomes our starting RB and a perfect compliment to Leon nobody is going to care about the 4th round pick we gave up to get him. Now we have the most important piece to build around with a decent team around him. Clearly the biggest need coming into this draft was a QB and we filled that with possibly the best QB in the draft. We weren't going to fill all the needs in one draft but we are finally headed in the right direction. Next years draft might be the best in the last decade and at the moment we have a full compliment of picks to get Sanchez some weapons and fill in the rest of the pieces. The fact that we were able to get these kind of players without sacrificing next years picks should be applauded as well. There were some reckless trades made over the weekend, Denver trades a future 1 for a smallish CB? Carolina trading another future 1 for an OLB? We got two huge pieces to our future for a 2nd and 4th basically, not too bad.
None of the arguments I've made are mutually exclusive. You keep pointing at something I've said in one post and saying that it rules out all the others, which is not the case. To make it clear and so that you can stop nitpicking small differences: The Jets depth at WR is poor and to not address that at all during the draft was a misallocation of resources. The Jets depth at TE is poor and to not address that at all during the draft was a misallocation of resources. The Jets depth at RB was not great, and it paid to go get another one. But to spend so many resources doing that that several other problems in the skill positions on offense could not be addressed at all was a misallocation of resources. I'd have been happy if Shonn Greene fell to us at the 76. I'd have been just as happy if the Jets took a WR there though given the lack of depth at the position. Face it, the Jets are now critically short at two of the positions that will most determine the success or failure of Kellen Clemens and Mark Sanchez next season.
You complain about every single move the Jets make and put together what sounds like a good argument every time. Unfortunately those arguments often contradict each other making them pretty much useless. You can't cry about the lack of depth WR position after telling everyone how unimportant it is compared to the RB position. You are not a glass half empty guy, you are a the glass is broken and I'm chewing on the glass guy. No matter what the Jets did this draft day you would have complained.
That's absolutely untrue. I liked the trade up for Sanchez. I don't like the trade up for Shonn Greene. I'd have been thrilled if they picked up a RB as part of the draft without mortgaging nearly the entire second half of the draft to the proposition. I deal with this every year. I complain because I don't like what the Jets did in the offseason and/or draft (2006 was a huge exception, I liked what the Jets did in that draft and said so at the time.) and then the Jets go out and under-perform again and I'm left listening to green-glasses yahoos convinced that this time the Jets put the cherry on top of the drink with their latest preposterous move. Let me reiterate: I like the Sanchez trade up. I think the rest of the draft was amateurishly botched, as their drafts since 2006 have been.
Yes they were mutually exclusive and contradicted each other. 1) You can't complain that the only WRs we have on the roster are 4th, 6th and 7th rounders, then complain the Jets didn't use 4th and 7th round picks to draft a WR. 2) You can point out that you thought RB was an area of need and then say in your next post that we were good at RB since we have Washington and Jones. 3) You can't complain that the Jets never address WR depth, and then completely ignore it when someone points out to you that they drafted Stuckey in the 7th and Henry in the 6th. Then you say they are not good enough, which leads us back to point 1. You can try all you like to turn this around on me. That I am "nitpicking at small differences." Every post you make negates your previous one. You will take any position or argument, in order to continue your rant and complaining. Even when it COMPLETELY contradicts your previous rant/complaint. And I don't have to "face" anything since I never stated my position on the Jets trade for Greene. I was pointing out your contradictions and nonsense.
Why can't I do this when my main complaint is that the Jet's are thin at wide receiver? You seem to be suggesting that because I'm not happy with the fact that our WR's are a thin and largely untalented group that the logical position I would then take is for them to remain both thin and untalented. If you don't understand the logic here I can't help with that. The Jets would be much better off today if they were less thin at the WR position. This is independent of the talent issue completely. What I said was that I thought that we had RB "covered" to the extent that a trade-up for a RB was bad use of resources with other positions very thin. I'm sorry if you read it another way. Here's the actual text: "Drafting a TE and a WR with the two extra picks would have gone a long way towards providing some of the depth the Jets are missing right now. Getting a decent WR or TE prospect in the 4th round (there were 4 WR's and 2 TE's taken in that round) and a prospect in the 7th (8 WR's and 4 TE's taken there) would have left the Jets in better shape than they are at the moment. Instead they packaged the extra picks to trade up ELEVEN spots to take a RB when they had Thomas Jones and Leon Washington already on the roster." "What kind of prioritization of resources is that? When you trade up to get even deeper at a position you have covered and pass on two positions you are weak at?" I'm talking about the prioritization of the Jet's allocation of resources. You can never depend on just a couple of runningbacks on a team because of the high attrition rate, although many times two main backs is good enough. I wanted the Jets to take RB in this draft, I just didn't want them to spend half the draft on one back and that's basically what they did. They had 6 picks coming in and 3 of them turned into one back. Point out to me where I said the Jets never address WR depth. Point out specifically the place I said this because I cannot recall ever saying this. Help me out here. What I have said over and over again in this thread and elsewhere is that the Jet's failed to address their depth issues at WR and TE in this draft and that that was a misallocation of resources given their roster.
Your main beef with our WR's is where they were drafted. So how does drafting another receiver taken 4th -> 7th round help the issue in your eyes? That's exactly what you were complaining about. So let's review: Prior to the draft you preached about how important QB and RB positions are in relation to the unimportant WR position. You went on to predict the Jets would stupidly take a WR at #17. Instead, the Jets move up to take Sanchez at #5 for a great price, then move up again to take Greene at the top of the 3rd round. Now your position is that the Jets shouldn't have traded up to take Greene because they could have added a 4th-7th round receiver to help bolster there WR corps that is lacking in talent because they're all 4th-7th round draftees. Am I missing something?
Was Justin Mcareins worth what we gave up for him? Was the top pick of the third round worth the third and fourth rd picks we gave up for A Rb that we don't need? Do you call that trade value. Exactly what is trade value and who defines it? The Cards had the second to last pick in the first rd and if they thought they were a Thomas Jones away from going back to the Sb because they are a Sb ready team they might have done it. Was Randy Moss worth what the Patriots Traded for him? Did we get fair value for Pete Kendall or John Abraham? If sanchez turns out to be good we fleeced the Browns. Did Mangini get fair trade value from us? Come on and tell me in sound mind and body that you thought we could have gotten Sanchez for what we gave up before the draft? This is a new economy and time throw out your trade value book for next years draft ok? A good trade is only as good as our GM that is executing it.
What? I don't even know what you are talking about anymore. You said we are thin at WR because all we have are 4th, 6th, and 7th receivers. Then you complain that we didn't use our 4th and 7th round picks to draft a WR. That is a complete contradiction and illogical. If you think low round WRs aren't good enough, why the hell would you want more on your team? I'm not "suggesting" anything, I'm using your own damn words. Okay. "Leaving the team thin" = not drafting depth. I pointed out this was not true at the WR position given Stuckey and Henry. Then you proceded to write two completely contradicting posts. You just wrote this stuff a few hours ago, did you forget already? It's no use. You got caught in bullshit and now you are trying to spin spin spin your way out of it. You won't admit it, so this conversation is pointless now.
What Tannenbaum and Ryan have done is sacrifice quality for quantity. If we can get 3 solid contributors per draft that's a pretty damned successful draft. If Sanchez and Greene turn out to be studs then its an outstanding draft. Its opposite of Belicheat's philosophy that he needs to draft as many peeps as possible and hope that 3 pan out. I like the fact that Tanny and company are good talent evaluators and go after the people they want. For the record, I didn't like the trade up for Sanchez when I saw it but I've warmed on it. Tanny has earned my trust based on his track record so I give him the benefit of the doubt.
Show me where I said we're thin at WR because all we have are 4th, 6th and 7th round WR's? What I said was: "They've drafted and managed talent in a way that the highest drafted WR on the roster going into next season was a 4th round pick and everybody else was a 6th or 7th. I don't believe in prioritizing WR's in the draft, however you have to either have a couple of guys on the roster that you expect are better than the average player or you need to have a bunch of them all competing to take the spots. The Jets have a thin group of wide receivers who, for whatever reason, were not valued particularly highly by the rest of the NFL when they came out in the draft." Did you not see the part where I said "you have to either have a couple of guys on the roster that you expect are better than the average player OR you need to have a bunch of them competing to take the spots"? I'm gonna call bullshit on you here. You're just arguing to argue. Have fun with that.
