Ever get the feeling Woody is a young version of Al Davis pulling the strings of Tanny for Psl purposes and not football ones?
That's not how either team drafts, first off. They both draft for depth, since they already QB's to build around. We haven't been in that position yet.. we are now.
Good Question. I think they might have done it for their first straight up or a second and a fourth. I think we could have leveraged the fact that he led the Afc in rushing into that first pick. If we traded our 3rd and 4th to get to the top of the 3rd then I think we could have gotten decent picks. Either way we get nothing for him next year because he is gone anyway. I rather do it a year early as opposed to a year to late.
What I meant was draft as a team that is ready to win now that can give away valuable picks because they think that one player can make the difference in winning the Sb. We don't have depth and we draft like we are that team that is ready to win now. If Chris Jenkins goes down we are right back in the top five next year and De and Wr is a full blown mess right now.
You think Thomas Jones is worth a 1st or a second and a fourth? Not even Mangini would do that. The guy is worth a 4th or a 5th now, after this year maybe a 5th or a 6th maybe. The move for Sanchez had value all over it because Mangini wanted out so bad. The second pick you can argue we gave up a lot but the back half of this draft appears to really suck so we might be able to pick up FA's who are just as good as the 4th and 5th we gave up.
To be honest It depends on the Team. If the cards think they are one Rb away from a Sb we could get at least a second for him. For a rebuilding team he is not worth anything more than a 3rd to 5th. For Arizona I would pose those trades not the lower tier teams. They have the luxury to come off the pick if they think Tj would be their difference maker. Manginii would definitely not do that trade. The prob I have is we gave up our 3rd and 4th to move to the top of the 3rd. Do you think we could have packaged those picks and moved much higher to draft someone else instead of the Rb we got.
The cards have running backs as good as Jones now before they got Wells in the first round. Can't see that they would give up squat for Jones now. I don't think we could have moved higher, we could have kept the picks and maybe gotten Greene or if Greene was gone gotten someone else and the picks. I think the team really likes Greene. I think we don't have a power back on our team and we want to grind the ball a little bit. That's a hole our team had last year that we filled. It comes down to the value. In this draft management felt Greene had more value than the picks they gave up. Hard to argue that unless you have real insight into the grades of the players left in rounds 3, 4 and 5?
I wish that we would have waited until next year to go for a Qb and I do not like the Sanchez pick but if he does turn out to be good we robbed the Browns for him. I have a problem with the player we took not what we gave up to get him. I really hope he is good and I will cheer him when he comes in.
It had been rumored that the Cards were going to Cut James so I figured why not see if they would bite for TJ. There is no way they give up squat for Tj now and Im trying to figure out what team would at this point. They will wait it out and see if he is a camp problem and get him for next to nothing in August if we have to trade him. If the team knew they were drafting a Rb they should have tried hard to move TJ.
I'm more worried that he's a young version of Leon Hess at this point, with lots of other things to think about that football and overly reliant on mediocre front office talent that does not fully understand the game. I still have scars from watching Dick Steinberg and Pat Kirwan destroy the team in the early 90's.
For all the people who think WR is the big need you have all been told to sit down. The run is the main course and the pass game will follow. This is setting to be how the Steelers brought up Big Ben. Protect him with the run and let him develop. Our receivers aren't slouches. Have we forgotten our TE. Plus Tanny has already hinted that if there is a quality player out there before camp he would not rule out an acquisition. I'm really starting to like Tanny as a GM.
Oh come on, I call BULLSHIT. Big Ben had Plaxico, Ward, AND Randel-El to throw to his first year! Who does Sanchez have that comes even close to ANY of those guys?!?!
It is unfortunate that Jones put us in this position. But what is the alternative? Pay every player that has one good year above and beyond their original deal? We had to address the situation. Rex wants a run first team and TJ knows it. Without Green TJ has us by the balls. With Green he is become marginalized. I don't like giving away picks myself. I was not a fan of the Revis/Harris trade up's either but they have turned out pretty well. These are big gambles but if they pay off, they pay off big. We have done pretty well in the past so one can only hope.
Another poster said it perfectly. You can't win i the long run by getting a hard on for 1 or 2 players and trading away your whole draft to get them. Sanchez may in fact turn out to be the franchise QB we have been praying for. Green may turn out to be a pro bowl caliber RB. Who knows? The problem is we don't have a team with depth. We are missing key pieces at important positions and an injury away from disaster at others. As much as i hate to admit it when you look at teams like the Pats and Steelers, you can see why they don't stay down for long.They build their team with quality drafts and a few key FA additions. They load their teams with depth and develope players for the future. We cannot compete with this team unless everything lines up perfectly. We have an old defensive line with nobody in the works to replace them. Jenkins is not built to last every down for a full season. Who is going to spell him to give him rest? Ellis is mediocre and aging. Woody is average with a huge salary. Baker's release was the biggest mistake of the offseason. We have question marks at WR. I am not trying to sound like doom and gloom. I am not a pesimistic JETS fan. I'm just a realist. Lets just pray everything lines up perfectly and we find a few surprises along the way.
Listen I can understand why the patriots would trade for depth its because they are stacked at almost every position, the jets need stars and should worry about depth in a few years and hope injuries dont play an issue this year that is the only way they can catch up to the pats and win the division that is why i applaud the jets for going quality over quantity this years draft we are in seperate situations. personally i love what they did becaused they closed the gap and can get their DE and WR next year...... rome isn't built in a day.
Jones did not put us in this position, we put ourselves in this position. Players bitch about contracts. It's part of the negotiating process. 30 year old running backs in the last year of their contracts bitch particularly loudly. The answer is to just suck it up and not over-react. "We expect Thomas Jones to be in camp and to perform like the professional that he is" is what a smart FO says when confronted with that. Where exactly is Jones going to go if he sits out one of his last productive seasons to try to get his contract re-negotiated? He's STILL under contract to us in 2010 if he sits out 2009 and he's a year older and no closer to a new contract. The answer for him is to go out and have a hell of a year in 2009 and then hit the free agent market. That's what he would likely have done. It's not like the Jets needed to trade a third of their draft away to pick up a running back as a high priority because of the Jones issue. What the Jets needed to do with those 3 picks was to find a RB, a TE and a WR. Instead we put all our apples in one basket and now we're reduced to praying that the handle on the basket doesn't break. If Cotchery or Keller or any of our trench people get hurt this season we're probably screwed. That's a result of how we handled the 2007, 2008 and 2009 drafts, sacrificing depth for talent each time and leaving the team thin in places you cannot afford to be thin.
That's not completely true. Stuckey was a seventh round pick and Henry was a 6th round pick. So they did draft for WR depth. We just don't have a clear #1.
