Alvin Keels, Leon's Agent.

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  1. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Not really, Washington can walk away. That is the ultimate leverage.
     
  2. The Waterboy

    The Waterboy Well-Known Member

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    I can understand if you could not comprehend what I wrote. I will break it down for you further but first, could you not even comprehend what you wrote yourself?

    You think maybe it was this comment that had people accusing you of using the race card?

    As far as the real estate analogy. I said if the home was only worth $300,000 not that they both were worth $500,000. If you could not read that I guess I can understand why you could not comprehend what else has been said here.
     
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  3. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    I can only assume that you're talking about the deals for Sproles or Jones-Drew due to their recently minted franchise tender and long term deal respectively, and the fact that I cannot really picture any other big half-back contracts going out to players with similar skill sets or statures.

    To begin with, Sproles' deal has almost nothing to do with his agent's success since his salary is mandated by the league. If anything, his payday is due directly to his agent's lack of success in securing a long-term deal. There is also the fact that Sproles is now the primary back-up in a feature-back system whose future HOF back has a reoccurring toe problem. They had to pay him somehow.

    As for Jones-Drew, his venture into renegotiation happened under completely different circumstances. Jones-Drew was the oft-used backup to an aging and injury prone starter who was well on his way off of the roster before MJD even entered into contract talks with the Jaguars. He had also been producing consistently in the running game with heavy use for several years. With Taylor on the way out, MJD was set to be the feature back in a system that is more likely than not going to rely on change of pace rotations as opposed to a committee in the backfield.

    To contrast, Leon's trying to negotiate as a cog in a three back system while playing behind Thomas Jones who is coming off of a career year. Jones has been consistently healthy and workhorse for the past two season. If Ryan and Schotty spread the ball around in the backfield like they say they will, then Jones is only going to save wear and tear and could be around for a little longer. Couple that with the fact that Leon has yet to take a full load as a ball carrier or receiving option, the Jets aren't really sure what they have with Leon as consistent part of the offense. Yes, we know that Leon is explosive when he touches the ball but there is still the question of whether or not the guy can hold up with a greatly increased workload. I know his skill as a KR is elite but no team can bank on a KR going to the house to win a game, especially with the new rules in place for kick returns.

    Then there is the fact that these two "houses" would not even be in the same neighborhood. The Jets, Jaguars, and Chargers all run different offensive systems which place different values on different skill sets. MJD is not going to be used the same way Sproles will be utilized, Leon will not play exactly like Sproles, and MJD and Leon might as well be playing two different positions. So no, you wouldn't be looking at your neighbor getting $500k while you get $300k. You'd be looking at a victorian in western Pennsylvania going for $300k while a loft in 2-bedroom apartment in Soho goes for $275K.

    Edit: Oh yea, and just to revisit this gem:

    Stop Ripping off Paul Mooney.
     
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  4. BadgerOnLSD

    BadgerOnLSD Banned

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    It's like you didn't even read his post. Amazing.

    Edit: I see Waterboy already covered that.
     
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  5. DMSMaven

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    Walk away and forfiet EVERYTHING .... He could NOT play again in the NFL without going thru us ... I'd say the JETS have all the leverage if he wants to eat ....
     
  6. BK_Jetsfan

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    I'm both Black and a young successful attorney and I hate Keels's Black ass! He and the Postons have made it impossible for me to break into the agent business!
     
  7. illmatic

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    LOL - I actually agree, I'm also black, though not an attorney. I can see how Keels can make things harder on you. He sets bad precedents and uses a style that is completely illogical and counter productive for his clients. Rather than negotiate he looks to drive a hard line and get nothing done. One thing I learned in b-school is when 2 sides enter a negotiation concessions must be made so that both sides can be satisfied while not giving up to much. He seems not to get that
     
  8. neid92

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    Read this on the Huddle today.

    Leon Washington - RB, New York Jets

    Newsday's Rod Boone reports New York Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum does not expect to have a contract extension in place with RB Leon Washington before the start of the regular season. The team reportedly increased their offer to $5 million per year, and Washington will miss free agency if the NFL has an uncapped year in 2010.

    HUDDLE UP: Washington's standout play during the preseason fueled speculation that the Jets would pony up for a contract extension. Now it looks as if Leon will carry that motivation into the regular season.
     
  9. Barry the Baptist

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    All of that makes for one really bad contract. Or as one person with extensive knowledge of NFL contracts put it: ?One of the worst contracts I?ve ever seen.?

    Get rid of this clown, Leon.
     
  11. NDmick

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    so, at the end of this chapter, I think its a consensus that this man is a Fucking Moron.
     
  12. GQMartin

    GQMartin Go 'Cuse

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    At least its not the FO's lack of effort.
     
  13. GreenHornet

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    Leon's just gotta sign the deal; he's got his money now. Just go out and play - no distractions.
     
  14. abyzmul

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    Somebody needs to Twitter this to Leon.
     
  15. Mambo9

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    I agree he is a moron but I don't think A. Smith could have gotten a much better contract. The guy had some serious character-weight issues and he isn't exactly the most professional player in the NFL.
    On top of that it's not fair to examine his contract by looking at what Sanchez got (the QBs always get more, look how much money Freeman got) and what DHB got (come on, i bet I could get a mill dollar from Al Davis if I show him I can run in the 4.3 range, the man is retarded! Look at DeAngelo Hall's contract or Lamont Jordans...)
    I still don't understand why the Bengals didn't draft Monroe... premium pass protector to keep Palmer upright... oh well, who cares!
     
  16. Wah

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    Leon... open your eyes. This guy is a fool. A good agent would be sure that someone with your talent is set for life before you even think about stepping foot out on the playing field. Get rid of him.
     
  17. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Are you joking? Read the article, his incentives are completely unrealistic, reminiscent of the incentives in Ricky Williams' New Orleans contract:

    This is the idiot that is managing the career of our most explosive player. It's terrible.
     
  18. Mambo9

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    4. Seattle - LB, Aaron Curry, Wake Forest - Signed (6-years, $60M; $34M guaranteed)

    6. Cincinnati - OT, Andre Smith, Alabama - Signed (6-years, $45M; $29M guaranteed)

    8. Jacksonville - OT, Eugene Monroe, Virginia - Signed (5-years, $34.5M; $19.2M guaranteed)

    9. Green Bay - DT, B.J. Raji, Boston College - Signed (5-years, $28.5M; $17.7M guaranteed)

    Ok, take out Sanchez and DHB contracts (one is a QB, the other had to negotiate with Al Davis)

    Now assume, if you will, that A. Smith thinks he is a little better then the normal Threshold and that he can make not 42 (like the article says) but 45 which is a little more (and it's still far away from the 50$ top which, I agree, he'll never reach).

    Now take into account the Begals have to guarantee him 8 mill, it says in the article, to buy his final 2 years. 21 + 8 = 29 mill in guaranteed right?

    This means that in 6 years he'll earn 15 mill less in salary and 5 less in guaranteed money than Curry. Curry was taken 2 spots above him, has an athlete body and a professional mentality, plays OLB which is an important role like LT, and was considered the most ready player in the whole draft. Not to mention he had hopes of going higher too.

    Let's compare his contract to Monroe's:
    The guy was taken 2 spots later then him and had hopes of going 1st overall.
    Smith will average 7.5 mill a season while Monroe 7 (so it's just a 0.5 difference) but Smith's contract is one year longer so overall he'll be making 10 mill more then Monroe.
    If you look at the guaranteed money Smith will be making 10 mill more than Monroe.

    Could the contract have been done better? of course! But all in all it's not such a bad deal as the article you posted makes you think...


    PS Curry's and Monroe's number rapresent the MAXIMUM they can earn... so I would lower those numbers a bit too...
     
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  19. BadgerOnLSD

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    Fire Alvin Keels!
     
  20. Royal Tee

    Royal Tee Girls juss wanna have fun
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    LEON didn't read this.....

    Then again, how do we know the JETS didn't make LEON promises for the uncapped season?

    oh, NM I 4got who our owner is....
    He probably gave Tanny a High 5 slipped a $50 in his pocket, slapped em on tha ass and said phenominal job there spanky.


     
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