No poor talent evaluation got us Gholston, Coples, Milliner. I HATED EVERYONE OF THOSE PICKS. BTW all those guys "produced" in college too.
That's how the draft broke down that year; there were really 5 top guys and we were picking 6th and we needed a OLB.
If you’re evaluating under that premise than I can understand that position,but a few things to consider here 1.The current surrounding cast doesn’t exactly fit a precision passing game.Outside of Kearse & perhaps Stewart everyone else is of a more physical “down the seams” type of make up. 2.Bates came from the Shanahan system which we have seen feature more vertical passing attacks when personnel dictated.Cutler to Marshall era was never built on timing or short/intermediate precision.There is flexibility with Bates’ roots to cater to different types of Quarterbacks 3.It’s been reported during this regime that a focal point has been on pre snap hot reads for throws outside the numbers as well as 50/50 balls that feature physically imposing WRs that box out defenders.This was referenced when Hack got drafted.I don’t see any reason Bates wouldn’t be able to utilize those concepts when putting together his scheme. Whether that’s still on the table or not is an important piece.If it is than Allen might be a great fit all the same..if not & it is indeed precision based well maybe you’re onto something.
Posted this in another thread x2 https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2012/5/24/3041376/the-shanahan-bates-offense-part-1-the-bootleg https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2...nahan-bates-offense-part-2-two-tight-end-sets https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2...fense-part-3-brandon-marshall-and-play-action
Looking at all 4 and with pick three where do we go? I wish I knew the answer but I don't think anyone does. Each one has pros and cons. 1. Darnold: Been rumored to be one or two the whole time. Which I think will be the case. -Pros: Can make every throw. Not many inssues off the field. -Cons: Small hands. Too many turnovers last year. Regressed last year. Overall pretty clean. Don't think he'll be there for the Jets. 2. Rosen: Sounds like he will be there unless the Giants or someone trades up to two for him. -Pros: Can make all the throws. Looked at most NFL ready. -Cons: Concussions and health. This can be a pro or a con. Questions about commitment to football. Maybe a little think skinned. Says he wants to win 7 Super Bowls. To me. I don't care about the way he is coming off in the media. Not all of his teammates love him. Prime example he's practicing with Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers doesn't talk to his family. Comes off a little cocky and seems to have an edge with the media and not all the media loves him. That part doesn't scare me with Rosen. The concussions do. 3. Mayfield: Will more than likely be there. -Pros: He's a winner. Productive in college. Seems to be a gamer. -Cons: People see Johnny Manziel off the field (I see a little but think he can reign it in better). Undersized. Can make most throws. Questions about the deep throws. 4. Allen: Might be there might not. Buzz about the Browns taking him one or the Bills trading to two for him. -Pros: Looks the part can make every throw. No off field issues. Cleanest of the four. -Cons: Small school. Didn't look good against top competition (was that lack of support on his team?) Accuracy With two weeks and one day and everything that we are hearing the Jets will have a choice of at least Rosen and Mayfield. Probably not Darnold and maybe Allen. So lets say it is Rosen Mayfield. I am a Rosen guy. The concussions scare me. A PAC 10 qb scares especially coming to a cold place. Rodgers did it. I'd be happy with either but a little more Rosen. If Allen was a choice here I'd be happy if we got him as well but the accuracy would scare me. With Rosen or Mayfield I wouldn't be as scared. What do others think?
This is a very good breakdown of a play that looks like it was just a wide open TD It’s a great display of something I cite as a strength for Baker (processing speed) and a weakness (inconsistent base). As I’ve said, his feet tend to widen and narrow when he’s forced to hold the ball. I think it’s the main reason his deep ball floats occasionally despite he fact that his arm is very strong. And FWIW, it’s the main thing he cited when asked what he’s working to improve this offseason. “"I try to take little bits and pieces from different guys," Mayfield said. "Brees, for me, is a big one. My set, my footwork, keeping my base clean, stable, consistent is a big thing for me, and he's the best in the game at that””
and he stunk like a dirty butthole.... prime reason why using early draftpicks for "need" sucks Then they traded up for Keller.... I was so MAD that day
If you recall the Jets scouting department was adamantly opposed to drafting Gholston and expressed strong objections to the pick as they did not consider him a football player. Mangini insisted on the pick and was the singular force behind it. It was a not a situation like Sanchez where the scouting department was against the pick and expressed an objection. They were vehemently opposed to the pick. I can't recall a situation like it. There was a strong objection and disgust to drafting Scotty McKnight to appease Sanchez but that was only a 7th rounder but to a scout a 7th rounder is still gold. But nothing I have never read of like the Gholston pick. It is just more evidence of the amazing arrogance of Mangini.
I read some of that, but don't remember the details..... I do remember hearing the hype about this guy by some former resident "draftniks" but I don't see much college football outside of SEC games... (and these days just the sat night game when I get off work) so I made sure I watched his bowl game (If I remember correctly it was vs JaWalrus Russel too). "DUDE this guy SUCKS" (said the same thing about Russel actually, but laughed about that one knowing old Al Davis would draft another loser).... I saw a guy that looked stiff and had ZERO instincts. Now, I'm NO football genius at all.... I'm just a guy who quit organized sports as a kid to be a beach bum and surf when I wasnt working my after school job, but Ive watched (and played) enough sports on my time on this rock to see when a guy has "IT" Of course I mention my opinion and got "You can't judge him on one game!!!... measureables....blah blah.... big ten sacks..blah blah" Yeah.... well big time players come up in big time spots! Come draft day.... my girlfriend was working on saturday, so I had the house to myself. She got home right as the draft wrapped up for the day. "How'd the JETS do... did they pick some good players?" "No, they're fucking idiots.... you want a beer?" and the rest is history..... Gholston was a breathing mannequin, Keller wasn't worth the investment capital (and now injured and out of football), Man"genius" is schmuck and out football, That girlfriend is an old news EX, and those "draftniks" died in a fire..... But I still like beer
Mangini was responsible for taking Anthony 'Shlemiel' Schlegel in the 3rd rd. in '06. You would've thought he had learned a lesson. Dude had one tackle for us before they cut bait the next year. He played a little the next year for Cincy before his career was over
Interestingly, he also drafted another "boar hunter" while at Cleveland. I guess he had a real affinity for boar hunters. I don't know how much influence he had on the Schlegal pick but given the same thing happened in Cleveland maybe he advocated for Schlegal. My recollection was both 3rd round picks, Schlegal and Eric Smith were not expected to be drafted until the 6th round although in all fairness Eric Smith was allegedly moving up the draft board.
I forgot about the boar hunting. lol. I remember Mangini taking credit for Shlegel. He was scouting somebody else, forget who, and said Shlegel kept popping up on the film and he got smitten with him. Like he found a gem or something. Of course him saying that was prolly before Shlegel showed up before spring practice. Every time Rex boasted about a player, i.e. John Connor or somebody I always thought of Shlegel. Edit: And talking about Combine numbers. Shlegel was an example of heeding the numbers. The dude was a sloth
Mangini pointed to Gholston being OSU’s single season sack record holder which surpassed Mike Vrabel 1995.14 sacks in a year.
