Looking forward to it. Also, schematically speaking, I don't think all NFL teams are 1:1 in that regard. All of the QBs in this class will fit better in some places than other. What we're really concerned with is which of these QBs fit the Jets the best, since barring a disaster, one of them will be a Jet. Evidence I've collected leads me to believe Mayfield is the best fit with Bates/Bowles. If Rex had still been the head coach of the Jets with this decision in front of us, then I would NOT support Mayfield to the Jets. In my mind the biggest, scariest question mark about Mayfield is if he's actually a really immature individual. New York is hard enough in that regard, with Rex it would have been a disaster waiting to happen. With Bowles, say what you want about his weaknesses as a coach, letting players run rampant without accountability isn't one of them.
Yeah ok.... the game means little, yet you are posting 'articles' about the game to support your narrative? the guy essentially wrote a scouting report before the game, and then tried to pass it as his view of the QB's after the Senior Bowl. It's a fail.
Thank you. This is super interesting. I agree that the ability to consistently complete the easy throws is actually a better indicator of NFL success (what separates Brees, brady and Rodgers) vs the ability to make difficult throws. And also just because a qb can complete difficult throws doesn’t mean he will be able to improve in his ability to consistently make easy throws. This is a common misnomer. Also goes on to say that guys like Jackson and Allen can have success , but it will not be because they became accurate qb’s. Allen could be like Newton and drive the ball down field (a bit of an athletic gunslinger) and Jackson could use his legs. This makes sense and Allen might end up good, but he’s not going to magically develop into the polished - accurate Aaron Rodgers/Wentz type. I think that’s where Allen people are dreaming/getting it wrong.
I’ve already said it’s the practices not the game itself that matters to scouts. Take it for what it is, you have a right to disagree.
And Drew Brees or Russel Wilson wasn’t? There is zero evidence supporting a 6’ tall QB coming from a spread offence that was drafted in the top 3. It doesn’t happen because the majority of those players don’t make it. Baker Mayfields peek ceiling is Drew Brees and Drew was a second rounder period end of story. Wilson even further down the ladder in the 3rd round if that’s your fancy as Mayfields peek ceiling.
This is some crazy stuff. Does the NFL not evolve, does it not learn... of course it does. The success of Brees and Wilson make it more likely that a qb like Baker succeeds + gets drafted in round 1, not the other way around. Tom Brady turned out fine but by your logic, teams should avoid any prospect who remind them them of him before round 6.
It's not so much the spread, as in taking snaps in the backfield, but more the complexity of a pro offense vs. the typical college spread offense.
And of course a pro team won't cater their offense to their FQB? If it's the Jets that may well be a concern, but it really shouldn't be.
Yea the 6’0 “ spread qb is less likely to bust than the prototype,pro set offense running qb. Makes perfect sense don’t it?
I disagree, I get that Allen is a 56% thrower, still you have to say Baker is just as likely to bust, not less.
I don't know where you got that idea, but how the players perform in the actual game at live speed matters quite a bit. The Senior Bowl process as a whole is extremely important to scouts.
Definitely his height is my #1 concern. Especially compared to Darnold, Rosen, and Allen. That is the thing. If those 3 were not in the draft, Mayfield could easily go #1 overall. They are in the draft, so it is hard for me to rank him ahead of the others. Worthy might be the wrong word, I just rank him behind the others and size is a factor for sure. The Big 12 is another. That is a pretty fired up post about Mayfield! I like it. I still stand by everything I have said as it relates to this draft, but I have always liked Mayfield too. I just would rank him 4th this draft, so not a viable option to the Jets at #3 overall.
You do know it’s an All-Star game where everything is vanilla. Teams play a extremely basic pro-set, defenses must play a 4-3 and no blitzing is allowed. It’s a terrible way to analyze a qb, which is why many scouts don’t even stay to watch it. The week of practice does have merit though as you can get to know prospects.
LOL at "film" top back up each point. There's 3 cherry-picked plays to back up each point that he makes. This isn't film, these are highlights. Not to mention that 2 out of the 3 plays shown under the "Product of a spread system" are play-action passes to ridiculously wide open receivers. This does nothing to show that Mayfield will be able to transition from throwing 1-read screen passes to throwing accurate passes under pressure in a pro-style offense. Watch Oklahoma vs OK State. Watch Oklahoma vs Ohio State. (they're like 10 minutes each. Watch them) How can you watch this film and not think that Mayfield can transition his play style to the NFL without massively struggling? Mayfield is going to be a project and he will need to go to a team with a great supporting cast while he learns how to play in the NFL. I can see him eventually becoming what Alex Smith is today, but it will take a while. I'd rather have Rosen or Allen (assuming Darnold goes #1)
so an All-star game is not important, but non contact practice for same All-star game IS important? yeah all right fella... I'm sure scouts were leaving early, and that the best insight was from a journalist with no access to the players during a practice period. lol anything to perpetuate a narrative around here.
Except the simple matter that Mayfield is nothing like, in any way, what Wilson or Brees were like in college. They have nothing in common other than being shorter than prototypical QBs. The Mayfield fans will hate this and argue it to the death but Mayfield in college has much more in common with Manziel in college on the football field.
Brees and Wilson are anomalys and that is my point. For them to be 2nd/3rd round pick is because teams feel they can play but have reservations about their size and collage system. Baker Mayfield is in the same boat and there is zero evidence to support anything different
Easy throws don't have to be accurate. Almost every NFL QB including the backups can make the pitch and catch easy throws. Wentz and Rodgers both drive the ball down the field. Wentz is not particularly accurate but he doesn't have to be as accurate because he is driving his team down the field with a lower completion percentage because he is throwing deeper passes. Rodgers is a freak. He is deadly accurate under pressure and accurate on the run driving the ball down the field. Sam Bradford in 2016 had a 70% plus completion percentage. He also ranked 18th in YPA. MN didn't make the playoffs that year and defenses were able to squeeze down on their running game because he was so risk averse. NFL defenses let teams dink and dunk because eventually the field gets squeezed down and bad things happen. Aaron Rodgers didn't get off the bench for years and Wentz has a mediocre at best completion percentage. Drew Brees didn't magically becomes a polished NFL passer. You can have success early but it takes a few years to become great in the NFL. If you can drive the ball down the field under duress and you get drafted onto a crapy team you might last long enough to have a team around you that can set up easy throws.
A scheme can be built around Mayfield no doubt.But a few things 1.What can really be done from a scheme perspective to counter him getting bottled up & forced to make perfect throws from the pocket? Yes we can build an OL that provides a very clean windshield like Saints did for Brees, and yes they can they’d use some designed rollouts to offset the issue but defenses will catch on to that & will make needed adjustments.I think he either can drop back w discipline & throw downfield to elImitate the look of he can’t.I don’t think there’s an in between 2.The Jets WR/OL doesn’t necessarily fit Baker.They are in essence a physical outside the #s & down the seam possession types.Baker would be best w short area types who run crisp routes,catch in stride & make YAC.Of the Jets 16 WRs id say only Ardarius Stewart fits that mold..MAYBE Kearse at least from a route running perspective 3. Jets have had plenty of drinkers & dunkers in the modern era.they e moved the chains quite fine under Bowles.They simply haven’t had a big play passing attack nor have they had an answer for when teams bottle up the tackle box w 8-9 man fronts & force the QB to make them pay downfield(Sound familiar) Maybe all of this goes by the wayside under Bates.Maybe they have answers for all of this..but I have my doubts.Mayfield could end up being just a slightly better more sustained version of more of the same
Fair to compare but Manziel is more an athlete and doesn’t have near the arm that guys like Allen and Baker have.
