except for the fact i gave him compliments on 4 nice throws in this thread alone? I've said plenty of positive things about him, the problem is people became angry when i said the negative stuff (all prospects have positives and negatives even darnold) But nobody attacks you for saying that, that is the difference. i can care less personally if anyone wants to attack any of the prospects. while i have warmed up to allen and rosen as of late, both are far from perfect. The only prospect I Love is darnold and the chances of us getting him are slim and none. Even if you go back to my early posts before we even traded up, I said if we can't get darnold it would be best to trade back get extra picks and get jackson. All i'm doing is watching a shit ton of film to ry and figure out who is the best consolation prize, I can care less of the name attached and i'm not going to fall into the historically proven to be wrong way of "falling for a prospect" over his intangibles. things like that led to the over-drafting of guys like tebow and manzeil which were huge fails. You don't draft a kid because he's lovable 3rd overall I never said anyone was "anti-allen" I said people here have a weird love affair for mayfield for some reason. I have no issues with people being "pro-mayfield" or preferring Mayfield to Allen. Like i said before all of us here including GMs are just assholes guessing who are often more wrong then right. That includes myself in that statement.
Overall, good post, and I like your reasoning. Allen does make throws that few others (if any) can make. That is very enticing. I don't think it's accurate or fair to say that Mayfield needs to start each play 7 yards behind the LOS. That's just the offense he played in at Oklahoma. I'm certain that he will be able to adapt to taking snaps from under center. As far as his receivers being wide open, again that's not Mayfield's fault. That's the design of the offense and a tribute to the execution of the offense by Mayfield and his receivers. Mayfield could be trying to force the ball into some receiver who isn't wide open, but he doesn't. I understand that this raises the question of how Mayfield will fare when his receivers aren't usually wide open, and it's a fair one. With his accuracy, high YPA average and strong arm, I am confident that he will be able to make those throws without problem and will be able to throw the ball into tight windows. What do you mean you don't see Mayfield accepting a redshirt? He will have no choice, and he's not the type to cause problems on his football team. He never has. He's not the one that has questioned or had disagreements with his coaches. I think that Mayfield is a better fit for the Jets' offense and is the safer pick. He has things he will need to work on like taking snaps from under center, the WCO drops and rhythm throws, learning the WCO and its more complex terminology, huddling the team, recognizing blitzes, learning to read more complex NFL Ds, adjusting to the speed of the NFL, and will probably have to learn to adjust his extending plays and being creative to some extent and learn to throw the ball away more rather than getting hit and taking sacks. That will probably keep him quite busy for a while, maybe his entire rookie season. Allen definitely has a much higher ceiling if he can put it together. The big question is will he be able to put it together and put it together in just one year. If Mac takes him and he turns out to be a 2-3 year project Jets fans will go nuts. I don't think Mac can afford that risk. With Mayfield's football IQ, work ethic, and accuracy, I think he's pretty bust proof. He may indeed be an overachiever, and not have HOF potential like Allen, but if his ceiling is Drew Brees, then Mayfield has HOF potential as well. Even if he just turned out to be a very, very good WCO QB for the Jets and they had their QB position resolved for the next 10-15 years, that would be plenty good imo. It will be interesting to see what happens.
college isn't the NFL they didn't trade him away. he was just ok in SD, was never great. got injured and they let him walk via free agency because they already had drafted rivers top 5 (well technically they drafted eli 1st overall and he refused to play for them, so they traded him to the giants for the 4th overall pick (rivers) and some extra picks. NO was desperate for a QB so signed him as a free agent. he also plays at minimum 9 games a year in a dome (they also play @ ATL every year)
Hey I'm just glad I got my meltdown out of the way early They'll be plenty more on TGG w. a month to go. What it boils down to is conviction. My frustration wasn't directed at anyone specific & was never meant to be offensive. I kept mentioning Mayfield never dropping back w. discipline & then fire the ball down field w.o drifting in & out of the pocket to find the right lane.That was never answered.. And that's fine b.c I really don't believe there is an answer. You either believe he can do it or you dont.But the scheme never asked him to do that & there is no way to simulate prior to him actually getting into TC. I keep having visions of the Jets taking Allen at #3 being elated coming on TGG & seeing everyone in a complete uproar when it really should be one of the few times 95% of the board is in blissful unison. Call it battered Jet fan syndrome.
That's ok, my friend. Glad you're back to your normal self this morning. We all can have meltdowns from time to time. This team drives us crazy, so it's no wonder. Mayfield will undoubtedly have to learn how to take snaps from under center and stay in the pocket more, but one of the reasons I think he is a perfect fit for the Shanahan/Bates offense (if that is indeed what we will run) is that it has a lot of rollouts/bootlegs and play action, and I think Mayfield can and will excel in those things. As I said in another post, he will have a lot to work on, as all rookie QBs and players do, but I feel really confident in his abilities, football IQ, and work ethic. With Teddy and McCown here, as well as Bates, I think our rookie QB, whoever it is, will have a much greater chance of succeeding.
i want the guy that can correctly set his protection and get his receivers into the right routes i saw those two attributes from mayfield when i watched him play ... allens cut-up videos start right before the snap so i dont know if he possesses those skills
Allen = project with big arm from small school. A million of these have busted in the NFL. Mayfield = proven commodity at the highest level in college with all the intangibles you want in your FQB. He seems to have a higher floor which would make this a safer pick.
The bold reminds me of when my very traditional West Indian dad used to tell me as a child that all that 99% of people with beepers sold drugs. I never questioned him but I always thought the number seemed a bit high.
Ever heard of hyperbole? Project from small school with questionable accuracy. That's all the game tape one would need. A bigger risk than Mayfield.
Brees was a very good developing QB in SD. They drafted Rivers and Brees blew out his shoulder. Brees made a decision to go to Miami first and Saban screwed up the signing and he went to NO. The guys a wonderful NFL QB, HOF. His playoff numbers outside are mediocre at best and it's not a coincidence that his one SB came when they played 3 games at home in the dome.
yup people tend to forget the chargers went 4-12 with brees at QB hence why they were picking 1st overall to begin with, and why they drafted a QB with that pick. it was his 3rd year in the NFL and he sucked 67QBR, 57% completions, 11TDs to 15 INTS they were ready to move on. he got 1 more year in 2004 so they could let rivers sit for a year and he played very well. So they franchised him for the 2005 season in which he was "just ok" and then blew out his shoulder in the final game. The Chargers were ready to move on with rivers and let him walk. The jets couldn't risk it because we already were paying a ton of money to a QB with a blown out shoulder (pennington), the fins didn't want to guarentee him much because the injury, he went to NO who gave him a huge contract and never looked back. The benefit of playing in the dome was huge was well for brees. had he played in SD his entire career, we could be looking at a whole different brees, and no telling if he would have been good with a "bad weather" team.
I remember when Saban screwed it up and ended up signing Culpepper when Brees left the building. That's why Saban went back to Alabama. Apparently Culpepper without Moss and a blown knee wasn't that good.
yeah culpepper only had the 1 good year (and was also a high pick QB 1th overall) but only played well becuase all he did was chuck it deep to moss who was near uncover-able. or throw to HOF WR Chris carter. To be fair he still did better then couch (1st overall) and smith (3rd overall) Out of the 4 QBs picked in the top 11 (which could be like this year) only 1 was sucessfull and that was Mcnabb taken 2nd overall.
Mel Kiper just said about Allen "the accuracy issues are done. He showed none of that at the combine or his pro day. It's done" And, this beauty "completion percentage doesn't matter anymore"
More Kiper "Lamar had a lot of of layups at Louisville, Allen didn't at Wyoming. If he did he'd be at 60%"
