It was a little surprising Nomellini didn't go. I had the 5th pick and was considering Rice, Butkus, Lilly, Deacon Jones, and one other guy (I don't recall who now) and wound up with three of them.
well, then your vote would be even that more important. But everyone has current players on their rosters.
I was drafting in a 14 team draft and had the end snake picks... It was either Barry Sanders or Bob Lilly....very close call.... Leo Nomellini is one of the more underrated DT's in the league.... There is Lilly, Greene, Page, Olsen, White, Buchanan, Lipscomb, Stautner, Jordan, Randle, Sapp Leo gets lost in the mix there though I consider him right after Buchanan
Yeah, kinda what I'm suspecting will happen, sadly. We still gotta do the votes. This was a good thing. We'll see what happens. I made two sets of rankings. I ranked the teams 1-9 (excluding my own team). Then I ranked how I feel those teams will finish based on votes (again I excluded my own team so as to not ruin things with bias). There are major fluctuations on the two lists. (Note: I'm not sharing these lists with anyone because I don't want to influence anyone and I don't want to insult the people who I feel had the 7th, 8th, and 9th best drafts. Not that anyone drafted poorly, but some people's drafts stood out a bit more, is all.)
I am glad you will be giving insight, it will help alot to give the voting some more credibility, hopefully everyone reads the responses
DE- Gerry Philbin He was selected as an American Football League All-Star in 1968 and 1969. A ferocious pass-rusher, Philbin recorded nineteen sacks of opposing quarterbacks in 1968. In Super Bowl Three, he anchored the Jets defense in limiting the so-called "best team in the history of the NFL", the Colts, to a measly seven points. A member of the All-time American Football League Team, and a member of the American Football League Hall of Fame. DT- Warren Sapp Sapp is known for his intense and aggressive defensive play, his swift and powerful tackling, and (when periodically substituted on offense) his ability to cast aside multiple defenders with ease. 7-time Pro Bowler and leader of the Super Bowl XXXVII winning team. DT- Joe Greene Greene was a cornerstone of the Steel Curtain defense that won four Super Bowls in the 1970's. His best championship performance was in Super Bowl IX, when he became the first player ever to record an interception, a forced fumble, and a fumble recovery in a single Super Bowl. Greene was twice named NFL Defensive Player of the Year(1972, 1974), played in 10 Pro Bowls, and was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1987. DE- Chris Doleman 8-time Pro Bowler and member of the NFL 1990s All-Decade Team OLB- Junior Seau Seau quickly became one of the most popular players on the team, receiving the nickname "Tasmanian Devil". His well-known "Lightning Bolt" dance (after the Chargers' logo) was particularly disliked by opposing teams, but well-liked by fans. He played in 12 Pro Bowls with the Chargers, and missed only two games in his first seven years of play. In every season with the team, he was the leading tackler. MLB- Willie Lanier Willie Edward Lanier is a former American football middle-linebacker who played for the Kansas City Chiefs from 1967 through through 1977. He won postseason honors for eight consecutive years, making the American Football League All-Star team in 1968 and 1969 before being selected to the Pro Bowl from 1970 through 1975. He was inducted into Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1986. Lanier was known as Contact, a name coined by Chiefs' teammate Jerry Mays in 1967. As Lanier remembered: "since I unfortunately followed the style of tackling that we were taught at that time - that was to use your head first of hitting players in the middle of their body. It was done in a rather aggressive manner". But Lanier's uncontrolled tackling resulted in Chiefs' equipment manager Bobby Yarborough outfitting Lanier's helmet with extra padding. While renowned for his hitting ability, Lanier was also fast, agile and disciplined, finishing his career with 27 interceptions and 15 fumble recoveries. OLB- Robert Brazile Before Lawrence Taylor showed up in New York, the prototype outside linebacker in the National Football League was Robert Brazile, who played ten seasons at that position for the Houston Oilers. Both became personal habits for Robert. He rarely missed a game and made the AFC Pro Bowl squad during his first seven seasons. He was named Defensive Rookie Of The Year in 1975. Brazile made the first of his 13 career interceptions in 1976, and had a career-best three picks the next season while leading the team in tackles. In 1978 and 1979, Brazile was a key member of Bum's gritty defense that went to back-to-back AFC Championship games. He was consistently among the team leaders in tackles even though opponents often avoided his side of the field. CB- Herb Adderley He was a star for the Packers from (1961-1969), then played three seasons (1970-1972) with the Dallas Cowboys. While with the Packers, won 2 Super Bowl rings in Super Bowl I and Super Bowl II. Adderley was a major factor in the Packers Super Bowl II win, intercepting a pass in the fourth quarter and returning it 60 yards for a touchdown to put the game away. After joining the Cowboys, Adderley became a vital cog in Dallas' "Doomsday Defense", assisting them to a Super Bowl appearance in Super Bowl V and a championship win in Super Bowl VI. In his 12 NFL seasons, Adderley recorded 48 interceptions, which he returned for 1,046 yards and 7 touchdowns, an average of 21.8 yards per return. He also recovered 14 fumbles(returning them for 65 yards) and returned 120 kickoffs for 3,080 yards and 2 touchdowns. He was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1980. FS- Cliff Harris Harris wasn't chosen in the 1970 NFL draft, but the Cowboys found him and invited him to training camp. He beat out Cowboys 3rd round draft choice Charlie Waters for the free safety position his rookie year. Military obligation caused him to miss the second half the season. He continued as starting Safety until his retirement following the 1979 season. During his career he made 5 Superbowl appearances, was chosen for the Pro Bowl six consecutive times and was voted All Pro four times. Nicknamed "Captain Crash" by his teammates for his reckless pursuit of ball carriers. Hall of Fame Safety Larry Wilson said of Harris, "I feel Harris is the finest free safety in the business today. He changed the way the position is being played. You see other teams modeling their free safeties around the way Harris plays the pass, and striking fear in everyone on the field because he hits so hard." SS- LeRoy Butler Butler was selected by the Packers in the second round of the 1990 draft. He played in 181 games, earned a Super Bowl ring in 1996, and was selected to the Pro Bowl four times(1993, 1996, 1997, and 1998). During his 12 seasons with the Packers, he recorded 953 tackles and 38 interceptions. And a member of the NFL 1990s All-Decade Team CB- Louis Wright Louis Wright (born 1953) is a former American Football cornerback who played for the Denver Broncos 12 seasons from 1975, to 1986. He was a five time Pro Bowler (1977-79, '83 and '85) and a member of the NFL 1970s All-Decade Team. K- Lou Groza Many fans remember Groza primarily as a kicker, the first specialist who became so proficient that the Browns started thinking of making field goals, instead of touchdowns, when the going was rough and time was running short. In 21 years, "The Toe," as he quickly became known, tallied 1,608 points and for years ranked as the all-time top scorer. His most dramatic kick came in the 1950 National Football League Championship Game, when his 16-yard field goal in the final seconds gave the Browns a 30-28 victory over the Los Angeles Rams. P- Matt Turk BENCH: FS - Carnell Lake 5-time Pro Bowler and member of the NFL 1990s All-Decade Team HB - Jim Thorpe Those who competed against Thorpe remember a high-stepping, stiff-arming muscle man who could run the sweep with outstanding speed, slam down defenders or shed tacklers with an unusual hip twist. A Native American of Sac and Fox heritage, the 6-1, 190-pound Thorpe also was a gifted passer, a devastating blocker and a kicker who could dominate games with long punts, placements or drop kicks. QB - Fran Tarkenton Tarkenton won the NFL's MVP award after the 1975 season, capturing All-Pro honors in the process. Tarkenton was also 2nd Team All-Pro in 1973 and earned All-NFC selection in 1972 & 1976. Fran was named 2nd Team All-NFC in 1970 & 1974. Tarkenton was selected to play in nine Pro Bowls. In his 18 NFL seasons, Tarkenton completed 3,686 passes for 47,003 yards and 342 touchdowns. He also used his impressive scrambling ability to rack up 3,674 rushing yards and 32 touchdowns on 675 carries. At the time of his retirement, Tarkenton held almost every single NFL passing record. He was voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1986, and is widely considered one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time due to his running and passing ability. WB - Chad Johnson
AFC...................W.....L.....T.....PF.....PA Jonathan_Vilma.....1......0.....0.......17.....11 Ganooch.............1......0.....0........13......9 MSUJet85............0.....1.....0.........15.....16 1028..................0......1.....0........11.....17 Kevin68...............0.....1.....0.........9......13 NFC.....................W.....L.....T Donnieistheking......1.....0.....0.......16.....15 Wolfe_Tone...........1.....0.....0......16......15 Cakes..................1.....0......0.......14.....11 JetGreen...............0.....1.....0.......15.....16 Murrell2878...........0.....1.....0.......11......14
I think when the season is over we should make a pro bowl team using each teams roster, but instead of picking players we should go by positional groupings, so defense could have D-Line, LBs, Ss, and then CBs
A number of our players can be seen in action here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=n4Sdyjy-e4s&search=big hits Among others, John Lynch, Doug Atkins, Dick Lane, Ronnie Lott, Ken Riley, Dick Butkus, and Clay Matthews are here. There is a Rich (Tombstone) Jackson hit at the two minute mark. One of my favorite plays of all-time is here- Earl Campbell's ramming of Ram linebacker Isiah Robertson. The play ends with a large portion of Campbell's jersey being torn off. Tearaway jerseys were banned the next year. We also have here the Jack Tatum hit where Campbell got pushed back and then still scored a TD. Also, note the Mike Harden on Steve Largent and Largent on Harden hits. The second one was payback. That was a huge hit by a wide receiver. Sadly, the hit on Renaldo Nehemiah in a 1983 49ers-Falcons game was not here. That's one of the top hits I've ever seen. If there was an update to this footage, we'd see the LaMont Jordan take out of a punter in 2004 (the punter has escaped my memory at the moment) and the hits on Eli Manning against Philadelphia in 2004.
The Nehemiah hit is here around the 5:58 mark. To get the full effect and see how the Falcons scored on the play one would have to watch "NFL '83". Also, the clothesline from a Bills-Chiefs game in 1969 is here. There is a nasty hit on Leroy Kelly here.
A Gale Sayers touchdown run against Baltimore can be found here. The whole play is not shown- all you get is the beginning of the play, when he saw the slightest of openings, cut, and squeezed through the hole. This particular play, along with Earl Campbell's ramming of Robertson are probably my two favorites. Also up there: the Nehemiah play a Sims TD run in LA in 1980 (his debut game) Warren McVea's 80-yard TD run against Cincinnati in '69 the Simpson run against Cincinnati when he slipped and fell down on a wet turf as two Bengals close in pursuit simultaneously fell down; then all three got up and the chase resumed The Sayers run against the Colts was in 1968 or 1969. I'd have to go check my films to confirm the year. It is my educated guess that Bill Cosby was talking about that run when he wrote this in the introduction in Sayers' autobiography (Cosby was watching Bears films at the Playboy mansion): "While watching the movie I saw Dick Butkus eating up as many people as he could and I saw Gale Sayers get in and out of quite a few predicaments. But I'll never forget one play. Gale Sayers was sweeping to his right, moving around right end, and this hole opened up. I don't remember if it was made by a blocker or whatever, but it just opened up. And my feeling while watching was that Gale would never make the cut in time. Because, number one, he wasn't looking in that direction. And, number two, he was moving in another direction. And the man made the cut. And I just exploded. I mean, my arms fell off, my legs fell off, and my head rolled on the floor- that's how excited I got about it. Sometimes when you get excited about watching a beautiful thing happen before your eyes, your arms fall off . . . and your legs fall off . . . and your head falls off. And I turned around to the projectionist after I recovered myself and I said to the cat, "Back that up!" And he backed it up. And I said, "Now run it again." And he ran it again. And Gale did the same thing. And this time my legs fell off . . . my arms fell off . . . and my head fell off. And I sat there telling the projectionist, who must have thought I was crazy, to run it over and over. And I saw that thing, I swear to you, twelve times. And I still cannot believe that Gale made that cut." Whenever I watch it, I similarly replay it multiple times.
Code: AFC W L T Win % PF PA 1028 1 1 1 0.500 39 35 Ganooch 1 1 1 0.500 28 32 JonVilma 1 2 0 0.333 36 37 MSUJet 1 2 0 0.333 34 30 Kevin68 0 3 0 0.000 19 36 NFC W L T Win % PF PA Cakes 3 0 0 1.000 43 33 JetGreen 2 1 0 0.667 40 28 DonIKing 2 1 0 0.667 35 32 Murrell 2 1 0 0.667 33 33 Wolf_To 1 2 0 0.333 38 49
I have the polls close after 7 days so no one can vote on them. I think we have no choice but to leave them as a tie. It works as a 1/2 win in the winning % column
I like ties in the regular season. If a playoff game ends in a tie, we could use the 7 other people with teams to break the ties. kevin68 will be away and if he doesn't have a playoff team, that this would give us an odd number in order to break ties.
If somebody votes past the deadline, the vote shouldn't count. Your game with ganooch had 18 total votes. My game vs Wolfe Tone had 28 total votes. The difference was my game thread had a lot of action in it. I was passionate about it (I'm not saying you weren't) and with every message it had to have caught more people's attention. Of course, with the number of messages it got bumped to the top of the forum several times. I think that is the key. In general, we have to post often in these game threads to call more attention to them. I may not post new messages. Rather, when I break down each game every Sunday, I may bump game threads by repeating the same message via clicking QUOTE. Like I wrote yesterday, I will not cast my vote till Tuesday. People will have two days to argue with me and try to make me change my mind on a game. Friday night/Saturday morning I had reached my lowest low here ever. There I was making this big effort to try to show why I felt my team is probably better. My opponent really wasn't doing the same, yet I was still losing. I was obviously very frustrated with the site. Then sometime the other night around when June became July, I decided I'm not going to get frustrated like that again. If I feel I have shown my team to be better and the voters don't find for my team, so be it.
