ALL - TIME Season and Draft analysis Thread

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  1. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    I hope to have the "Pre-Game" up tomorrow...Games will start on Sunday. Everyone should have their team bio's up by then. I will be putting them in the Game threads - which will be called Gamecasts.

    I think we should come up with some rules of posting in the game threads...

    Here is mine - you can promote your team but you cannot say anything negative about your opponents team
     
  2. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Nobody should campaign for votes. There was a rule about that with the king of bullshit tournament, or whatever it was called. I'm not sure how that rule was enforced, but it would be a good one with this tournament.
     
  3. Wolfe Tone

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    Team Name: Shamrocks
    City: San Francisco, California
    GM: Wolfe Tone
    Stadium: Kezar Stadium

    Offense:

    Strategy: Passive/Aggressive. Base offense is a split back, 3rd downs has Single back Nagurski and Mitchell comes into slot

    The Shamrocks will have a power running attack, both sides of the line are host to great run blocking linemen that can get down field, Jackson and Nagurksi are both massive physical runningbacks, they will wear down the defense with punishing hits and Jackson is also a home run threat whenever he breaks away. Casper is a well balanced TE that can be utilized as a blocker, possesion reciever and red zone target. Favre has the first go to guy of his career in Sharpe and TO will stretch the field looking for big plays, this will keep the defenses from putting the extra man in the box and create mismatches while running and passing. Bobby Mitchell will be my slot reciever and change of pace back when he comes in.

    QB Brett Favre, 6'2, 224, Green Bay Packers, the NFL's only three time MVP (1995-97, the only player in the history of modern professional sports to start every single game played by his team for nearly sixteen straight seasons, 8 pro bowls, 1997 AP NFL MVP,1996 AP NFL MVP, 1996 UPI NFC Off POY, 1996 PFWA MVP, 1996 Bert Bell MVP, 1995 AP NFL MVP, 1995 AP Offensive POY, 1995 PFWA MVP, 1995UPI NFC Off POY, 1995 Bert Bell MVP, NFL 1990s All-Decade Team, Career Passing TDs (396), Career Passing Yards (53,615)

    RB Bo Jackson, 6'1 225, Los Angeles Raiders, As a part-time running back making full-time money, he ran for 2,782 yards on 515 carries, an impressive 5.4 average, and scored 18 touchdowns running and receiving in that 1987-90 period. He is the only player in NFL history to have two rushing touchdowns of 90 yards or more, with a 91-yarder coming when he rambled for a Raiders record 221 yards against Seattle a month into his pro football career

    FB Bronco Nagurski, 6'2 226, Chicago Bears, joined after legendary college career at Minnesota. Became pro football's symbol of power, ruggedness. A bulldozing runner on offense, a bone-crushing linebacker on defense. Gained 4031 yards in 9 seasons. All-NFL, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1936, 1937. His two TD passes clinched Bears' 1933 title win. Helped 1943 Bears to NFL crown after five-year retirement. Never fancy, he just ran straight ahead, over and through the opposition. Although he is best remembered for his bull-like running, he had no peer as a blocker.

    WR Terrell Owens, 6'3 226, San Francisco 49ers, Only receiver besides Jerry Rice to have 5 or more seasons with 13 or more receiving TD's. 103 total touchdowns, 6 1,000 yard seasons, NFL record 20 receptions in a game, 100 catches in only 14 games in 2002. Led League in receiving touchdowns for two consecutive seasons. 5 All-NFC Pro Selections, 3ALL-NFL Pro Selections, 5 Pro Bowls selections

    WR Sterling Sharpe, 6'0 207, Green Bay Packers, first round draft pick of the Packers in 1988. In his rookie season 55 passes. 1989 season he led the league with 90 receptions, in 1992, Sharpe and the new quarterback, Brett Favre, teamed up making 107 receptions, breaking Art Monk's record that had been set in 1984, but in the 1993 season Sharpe broke it again with 112 receptions making him the first player to catch over 100 passes in two straight seasons. ended his career short with a neck injury after the 1994 season, but in his tenure as a wide receiver he was named All-Pro five times (1989, 1990, 1992, 1993, and 1994).

    TE Dave Casper, 6-4 240, Oakland Raiders, second-round draft pick, 1974. Nicknamed “The Ghost,” earned starting tight end spot in 1976, finished season with impressive 53 catches for 691 yards, 10 touchdowns. Named All-Pro and All-AFC four consecutive years, 1976-1979. Outstanding blocker as well as receiver. Career record: 378 receptions, 5,216 yards, 52 touchdowns. Named to five Pro Bowls.

    LT Art Shell, 6'5 265 Oakland Raiders, No. 3 draft pick, 1968. Possessed size, speed, agility, intelligence, strength to be premier offensive tackle. Mild-mannered, hard working, great team player. . .Equally adept on running, passing plays. Starred in Super Bowl XI vs. Vikings. Played in 207 regular-season, 23 post-season games, eight Pro Bowls. All-Pro, 1973, 1974, 1976, 1977. All-AFC six times.

    LG Randall McDaniel, 6'3 287 Minnesota Vikings, 12 time Pro-Bowler, arguable the best guard behind possibly the best O-lineman to ever play the game, John Hannah, Blocked for Moon, Cunningham, and RB Robert Smith

    C Dermontti Dawson, 6'2 292 Pittsburgh Steelers, 7-time NFL Pro-Bowler who spent his entire NFL Career with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Dawson was named the American Football Conference Lineman of the year three times. Is one of the 25 semifinalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility, great run blocker who exceled in the Steelers power running game

    RG Joe Delamielleure, 6'3, 254, Buffalo Bills, Lead blocker for OJ prior to Johnnie Cochrane, also leader of "The Electric Company". In 1973 he won All-Rookie Honors, Seven times he was named All-Pro and was named to the Pro Bowl six times. In 1975 he was named by the NFLPA as Offensive Lineman of the Year. DeLamielleure was named to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2003

    RT Erik Williams, 6'6 311, Dallas Cowboys Lead Blocker for Emmitt Smith, Williams was a four time Pro Bowler attending the game in 1993, 1996, 1997, and 1999. His ability to protect quarterback Troy Aikman and to run-block for running back Emmitt Smith helped the Cowboys win Superbowls in 1993, 1994, and 1996.
     
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  4. Wolfe Tone

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    Defense

    Strategy: Aggressive, The Shamrocks defense was built to deliver pain, the big men in the middle are used primarily as run stuffers with Kennedy also taking looks for the QB, White and Youngblood will be able to put pressure on the QB, The linebackers will be able to freelance with the main focus on Baughan covering the TE, and Singletary and LLoyd taking turns helping out in run support and blitzing the QB, Atwater will be the man coming up to be the 4th linebacker position if needed, Hanks will sit back and ball hawk or help with double coverage, Lane will be the shutdown corner, Allen will cover the number 2 guy, McAlister will come in for NB, Mecklenburg will come in for the 3-4 or sub on occasion for rushing downs and take out Baughan

    LE Reggie White, 6'5 291 Philadelphia Eagles, Recorded more sacks (124) than games played (121) in eight seasons with Eagles. Became Packers’ all-time sack leader with 68.5. Recorded 12 seasons with 10-plus sacks. NFL Defensive Player of the Year in 1987, 1998. Elected to 13 straight Pro Bowls. Named All-Pro 13 of 15 seasons including 10 as first-team selection.

    NT Cortez Kennedy, 6'3 306, Seattle Seahawks, 1991 he went to the Pro Bowl which would be his first of 7, and the following season he was named to The Sporting News All-Pro team after recording 14 quarterback sacks. He had amazing quickness as well as strength and usually occupied two blockers. In 167 games with Seattle, he had 668 tackles, 58 sacks, and 3 interceptions.

    DT Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb, 6'6 305, Baltimore Colts, Outstanding tackler and excellent speed for a big man. When he got you, you stayed got. Led the Colts in tackles one year. Had a reputation as a cheap-shot artist when he was with the Rams but played it pretty straight later in his career. Sometimes used rough stuff to intimidate opponents- especially rookies. Great headslap. Wadded his hands and forearms with tape and used them as weapons. 2 Pro Bowls and two all-league teams in five seasons with Colts

    RE Jack Youngblood, 6'4 247, Los Angeles Rams, Rams’ No. 1 draft pick, 1971. Became starting defensive end, 1973. Rugged, determined, durable. Played in team-record 201 consecutive games. Suffered fractured left fibula in 1979 first-round playoff but played every defensive down in title game, Super Bowl XIV. Played in five NFC championship games. All-Pro five times. All-NFC seven times. Played in seven straight Pro Bowls. Was the man that made Deacon Jones dispensible.

    LOLB Greg Lloyd, 6'2 228, Pittsburgh Steelers, Drafted 6th overall, 5 pro bowls and 3 NFL All-Pro teams. 54 sacks, 11 INTs, Lloyd teamed with cornerback Rod Woodson to give the Steelers two of the most dynamic and dominating defensive players in the game. A true leader and student of the game. has a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. He played in Super Bowl XXX. One of the meanest linebackers of all time.

    MLB Mike Singletary, 6'0 230, Chicago Bears, Bears’ second-round draft pick, 1981. Finished as team’s first or second leading tackler each of last 11 seasons. Career statistics: 1488 tackles (885 solo), 51 passes defensed, 12 fumble recoveries, 7 interceptions. All-Pro eight times, 1983-1989, 1991. All-NFC selection nine straight years, 1983-1991. Selected to ten consecutive Pro Bowls. Defensive Player of the Year, 1985, 1988.

    ROLB Maxie Baughan, 6'1 227, Philadelphia Eagles, second-round draft choice in 1960. He became a starter at right linebacker immediately. He was also named All-Pro three times. The captain of the Los Angeles defensive unit, Baughan was responsible for coordinating George Allen's very complex defense that gave up just 186 points. The Rams won the Coastal Division championship that season. Baughan had 18 career interceptions and scored 1 touchdown.

    CB Dick "Night Train" Lane, 6'1 194, Los Angeles Rams, Joined Rams as free agent after four years in Army. Set NFL interception record (14) as rookie, 1952. All-NFL six years. Named to seven Pro Bowls. Selected all-time NFL cornerback, 1969. Career interception record: 68 for 1,207 yards, five TDs. Gambler on field who made spectacular plays. Deadly open-field tackler. Very fast, agile, aggressive.

    FS Merton Hanks, 6'2 181, San Francisco 49ers, Hanks was a natural at comprehending football knowledge. He became well-known for his interceptions and returns, member of the 1994 San Francisco team that won Super Bowl XXIX. 4 Pro Bowls, 33 INTs, 3 TDs

    SS Steve Atwater, 6'3 220, Denver Broncos, Pro Bowl 8 times, Steve started in all 155 games while he was with Denver. 14 post-season games. Super Bowl XXXII, he is credited with six solo tackles, one sack, two passes defensed and a forced fumble. Steve's hit against Christian Okoye September 17, 1990. The audio of the hit was recorded and has been featured in numerous productions from NFL Films. In his 11 NFL seasons, Atwater recorded 5 sacks and 24 interceptions, which he returned them for 408 yards and a touchdown. He also recovered 8 fumbles and returned them for 42 yards.

    CB Eric Allen,5'10 190, Philidelphia Eagles, 6 pro bowls, 9 INTS for TDs, 54 INTS for 826 YDS, 3 Sacks, one of the top 3 CBs of his generation, only Deion and Woodson had better careers

    Special Teams

    Strategy: Bobby Mitchell completed his career with 8 TDs on returns, he was one of the best return men of his generation. Sammy Baugh was a phenomenal punter who is ranked in the top 3 of all time, he also was an amazing QB that will give me some freedom on 4th downs to run some fakes. Moseley is the only kicker in the history of the NFL to win MVP for an entire season.

    P Sammy Baugh, 6'2 182, Washington Redskins, Two-time TCU All-America. No. 1 draft choice, 1937. Split career between tailback, T-quarterback. . . Premier passer who influenced great offensive revolution. All-NFL seven years. NFL passing, punting, interception champ, 1943. Six-time NFL passing leader. History's top punter. Career records: 21,886 yards, 187 TDs passing, 45.1-yard punting average

    K Mark Moseley, Washington Redskins, From 1974 to 1986, Mark Moseley repeatedly came through with kicks in clutch moments to give the Redskins many victories. He led the team in scoring from 1974 to 1985. In his 16 NFL seasons, Moseley kicked 300 out of 457 field goals (65%), 482 out of 512 extra points (94%), and scored a total of 1,382 points

    PR/KR Bobby Mitchell, Cleveland Browns, See below in reserves

    Reserves

    Strategy: The key for my reserves was to have players that could play multiple positions at a high level, I accomplished that on offense and defense, Bobby Mitchell gives me the freedom on offense to bring in a player to replace one of the powerbacks for a lightning RB or I can move him into the slot for 3rd downs. Mecklenburg played the majority at ILB but he was also able to freelance into all the front 7 defensive positions, He will be my other ILB at 3-4 and can be used as a sub. With Aikman as my backup I have a QB who has been able to balance the ball between many high profile players and still make it work without imploding. He carries himself with a winning attitude and confidence as a team leader

    WR/RB Bobby Mitchell, 6'0 192, Cleveland Browns, Blessed with exceptional speed, balance, faking ability. Split career as Browns halfback, Redskins flanker. Noted for spectacular long-distance scoring plays. Amassed 14,078 combined net yards. Scored 91 touchdowns, caught 521 passes, had eight kick return TDs. Topped NFL receivers, 1962. Surpassed 50 catches six years. All-NFL three times. Played in four Pro Bowl games.

    CB/NB Chris McAlister, 6'1 206, Baltimore Ravens, is one of the top CBs of this generation, has 83 passes deflected, 16 INTs, 3 TDs, two pro-bowls and 1 Superbowl

    QB Troy Aikman, 6'4, 219, Dallas Cowboys, Led team to three Super Bowl wins. Winningest starting quarterback of any decade with 90 of 94 career wins occurring in 1990s. Held or tied 47 Dallas passing records. Posted 13 regular season and four playoff 300-yard passing games. Named to six Pro Bowls, All-Pro 1993, All-NFC Second Team 1994, 1995. career statistics include 32,942 yards and 165 touchdowns for a passer rating of 81.6.

    MLB/DE/OLB Karl Mecklenburg, 6'3 236, Denver Broncos, 6 Pro Bowl and 3 Super Bowl appearances. Considered the NFL’s most versatile player, played all seven defensive front positions. Bronco coaches wanted him at the point of attack and would move him throughout the game. There were many games where Mecklenburg played all 7 positions in the course of a single game. Stats, 79.5 sacks
     
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  5. 1028

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    Man I highly HIGLY doubt the voters are even gonna take the time to read the bios.

    Ill still get mine in one of these days, though it wont be nearly as long as some of the ones already posted
     
  6. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Murrell will post the bios in game threads, so people will at least notice them. Hopefully, they will at the very least skim through them.

    On page 1 my first team bio post is complete. With the other one I just have to make a brief paragraph outlining my offensive philosophy.
     
  7. Wolfe Tone

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    Yeh hopefully people will at least skim them or read when they do not recognize a name
     
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    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    part 2 in a series of interesting notes on select players

    Joe Perry
    (owned by Jonathan_Vilma)

    Perry was the NFL's all time leading rusher for several years, even though he never had a 200-carry season. The problem was that the 49ers had four Hall of Famers in the backfield- Y.A. Tittle, Hugh McElhenny and John Henry Johnson were the others- and only one ball. Perry was a halfback-sized fullback who brought rare speed (9.7) to the position. He had prodigious thighs, though, and put up with the pounding for 16 years. Joe the Jet's engine ran hot. He sweated so much he had to change jerseys every quarter. On a 100-degree day in Dallas in 1952 he went through eight.
     
  9. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    As I made mention during the drafting I suspected some votes, or maybe many votes, will come down to player recognition.

    What I mean by that is this- the younger crowd here may not know much about 1960s players aside from a few household names such as Butkus, Sayers, Unitas, and Brown. Does the average voter here know about Rich Jackson, Maxie Baughan, Jimmy Johnson, Larry Wilson, etc.? And that's just players from the '60s and '70s! What about the offensive linemen we drafted who played in the '30s, '40s, and '50s?

    What I'm saying is I really hope people take the time to read the bios and not just do something like this- "JetGreen only has 14 players I heard of; the rest might totally suck for all I know, but Donnie has 22 players I heard of. I'll vote Donnie" or "Wow! He drafted my all time favorite player. I'm voting for him."

    You see what I'm saying?

    I know this is not going to be a perfect thing. It would be cool to get some historians/pro football writers to comment on this draft.

    I have only been able to place two votes thus far. For the other three games I have to make diagrams with triangles, squares, and circles and put some thought into who would probably win. Remember- squares for defensive backs and linebackers, triangles for defensive linemen, squares for centers and circles for all other offensive players. Otherwise, John Madden would get mad. (I found it hilarious when Madden said to one of his game developers, "You can't use circles for defensive players...").

    I just hope the voters take at least a few moments and think their votes through.
     
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    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Quick list for what it's worth

    Number of Hall of Famers, team-by-team:
    1028- 19
    Cakes- 17
    MSUJet85- 16
    DonnieIsTheKing- 15
    JetGreen- 14
    Jonathan_Vilma- 14
    ganooch- 12
    Wolfe Tone- 11
    Murrell2878- 11
    kevin68- 10
     
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  11. Wolfe Tone

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    I have not voted yet, I want to look at the teams on paper and give proper evaluation, for me it will be matchups of D vs O players that will determine my vote
     
  12. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    you can add 3 more for my team with Darrell Green, Curtis Martin, Orlando Pace
     
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    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    We could do that with everybody, of course. That list was just the HOF as of today.
     
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    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    I don't see how it's relevent though? We now have the voting going on.
     
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    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Well, presumably it's all in the bios, but that was just a nice tidy simple list, I thought.
     
  16. arsenal1189

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    Cakes you know your stuff....Nice stuff....

    I actually finished a mock draft on another Jets Board and our teams look very similar....

    I played a Winged T starting O, and drafted my personell as perfect as I can ask for it to be...

    We took the player at his peak:

    QB: Tom Brady
    RB: Terrell Davis
    FB: Jim Thorpe (I know he was not a FB but I like finnesse)/John Henry Johnson as the traditional FB and moving Thorpe to RB
    TE: John Mackey
    WB: Elroy "Crazy Legs" Hirsch
    SE: Paul Warfield
    LT: Larry Allen
    LG: Jim Parker (Need pulling quick OG's, not maulers
    C: Jim Otto
    RG: George Musso
    RT: Ron Yary
     
  17. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    yeah I know, but I don't want people votes to get skewed by that because a lot of us selected people who will be in the HOF someday (including yourself - Faulk) but that list (because it's current) my skew it towards someone else because it doesn't include the future HOF's.
     
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    I also would not mind commenting on this draft....Cakes, I love your team BTW...How the hell did you get Lilly so late and Butkus after Urlacher? Right Team Right position, Wrong Player...

    BTW my defense was:

    RDE: Gino Marchetti
    RDT: Bob Lilly
    LDT: Leo Nomellini
    LDE: Len Ford

    SLB: Bobby Bell
    MLB: Dick Butkus
    WLB: Joe Schmidt

    CB: Herb Adderley
    CB: Willie Brown
    FS: Emlen Tunnell
    SS: Brian Dawkins (out of position, but hard hitting)
     
  19. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Yeah, that team does look formidable.

    Well, your opinions on our 10 teams would probably hold a lot of weight because it seems you have a good sense of historic players. I'd look forward to your comments on the matchups, if you so chose to do so.
     
  20. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    ^^ yeah, definitely stick around and give commentary on the matchups. This will be going on for 9 weeks then playoffs and a super bowl.
     

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