ALL - TIME Season and Draft analysis Thread

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  1. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    LE - Deacon Jones-Considered to be one of the greatest defensive ends of all time. Jones specialized in quarterback sacks, a term attributed to him. He teamed with tackle Merlin Olsen to give Los Angeles a perennial All-Pro left side of the defensive line. The so-called "Fearsome Foursome" Rams defensive line of Lamar Lundy, Rosey Grier, Olsen and Jones is considered one of the best of all time. Jones won unanimous all-league honors six straight years from 1965 through 1970. He was also in seven straight Pro Bowls, from 1965 to 1971, and was selected to an eighth in 1973. In 1967, Jones unofficially amassed 26 sacks in 14 games

    DT - Art Donovan - He became one of the stars in an outstanding defense and was selected to five straight Pro Bowls for 1954 to 1958. The Colts won back to back championships in 1958 and 1959. He was selected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1968.

    DT - Joe Klecko - Anchored the Jets defensive line known as the "New York Sack Exchange", along with Mark Gastineau, Marty Lyons and Abdul Salaam. The New York Jets have honored the first player in professional football history to be selected to the Pro Bowl at three different positions (DE, NT and DT) by retiring his #73 jersey.

    RE - Lee Roy Selmon-In 1976, Selmon was the first player picked in the NFL draft, the first ever pick for the then-brand new expansion team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. In his first year, he was the team's Rookie of the Year and MVP. Selmon went to six straight Pro Bowls and was named NFL Defensive Lineman of the Year in 1979. A back injury made his 1984 season his last, and the Bucs retired his number, 63, in 1986.

    LOLB - Clay Matthews - Played for the Cleveland Browns and the Atlanta Falcons. He played 19 seasons and 278 games in the NFL (third most in NFL history). Matthews was drafted by the Browns out of USC with the 12th pick in the first round of the 1978 NFL Draft. Clay was a four time Pro Bowler for Cleveland.


    MLB - Ray Nitschke- he played fifteen seasons, from 1958 to 1972, and was named the greatest linebacker in NFL history in 1969, over many other greats, including Dick Butkus. He was the anchor of a defense that helped win five NFL titles and the first two Super Bowls in the 1960s. He was the MVP of the 1962 NFL Championship game. He was an All-Pro three consecutive seasons (1964-66), and was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1978.

    ROLB - Ted Hendricks- The seemingly indestructible Hendricks played in 215 straight regular-season games. He also participated in eight Pro Bowl games, seven AFC championships and four Super Bowls (V with the Colts, XI, XV and XVIII with the Raiders). Ted was named All-Pro as a Colt in 1971, as a Packer in 1974, and as a Raider in 1980 and 1982. He also earned second-team All-Pro accolades five other times.

    Hendricks was at his best over nine seasons with the Raiders. The Raiders gave him the freedom to roam the line, blitz on impulse, read the play and react. Nobody could key on him. Hendricks could disrupt the other team's offense like few others. He was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1990, his second year of eligibility.

    CB - Darrell Green- He is widely considered to be one of the greatest cornerbacks to ever play the game. Fondly nicknamed as The Ageless Wonder by his peers for his remarkable ability to maintain a high level of play well into the twilight of his career. Amongst his honors are:

    • Most consecutive seasons with an interception (19)
    • Oldest NFL cornerback (42 years old)
    • 4-time NFL Fastest Man [1]
    • 1991 Fastest Athlete
    • Selected as one of the top 70 Redskins
    • Named as a cornerback on the 1990's NFL All-Decade Team
    • 7 Pro Bowl selections ('84,'86,'87,'90,'91,'96,'97)
    • Redskins franchise record for most career interceptions (54)
    • Redskins franchise record for most game starts (258) and games played (295)
    FS - John Lynch - With over 1,000 tackles, Lynch is known throughout the NFL as a ferocious hitter, often punishing wide receivers who crossed the middle of the field trying to catch footballs. Lynch has developed the role of the free safety into one that plays run support well, but can also cover wide receivers. He remains a vocal leader on the football field.

    SS - Donnie Shell- Retired as the NFL strong safety career leader in interceptions with 51. He started 11 straight years for the Steelers and was selected to the Steelers All-Time Team and and to the NFL Silver Anniversary Super Bowl Team.

    CB - Ty Law- 5 Time Pro Bowler and 3 time Super Bowl Champion. Law's dominant physical play against some of the game's best receivers prompted the NFL to change rules regarding contact after the 2003 season. These changes are sometimes referred to as the "Ty Law Rule." In the AFC championship game against the Indianapolis Colts, Law intercepted 3 passes from Colts quarterback Peyton Manning, assisting his team to a 24-14 win and their second Super Bowl appearance in 3 years, where they defeated the Carolina Panthers 32-29. Law signed with the Jets in 2005 and went on to have a great season amassing a career-high 10 interceptions and was the only Jet voted into the Pro Bowl

    P - Sean Landeta - Known as one of the greatest punters in NFL history, Landeta has consistently averaged roughly 43 yards per attempt

    K - Adam Vinatieri - Quite possibly the most clutch kicker in the history of the NFL. He will be known by his 2 Super Bowl winning kicks but his most impressive kick may have been a 40+ yarder to tie the game vs. Oakland in the 2001 Divisional Playoffs known as the "Snow Game". With his impressive professional resumé, many football analysts and purists believe that Vinatieri will eventually land in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, a realm typically unfriendly to placekickers (only one pure placekicker, Jan Stenerud, is currently enshrined).



    Backups
    RB Curtis Martin
    G Conrad Dobler
    OLB Carl Banks
     
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  2. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    I said I would post interesting stuff on select players. Here I go.

    Big Daddy Lipscomb
    (owned by Wolfe Tone)

    scouting report-
    Height: 6'6"
    Weight: 285-305
    Speed: Excellent.
    Notes: Not much of a pass rusher. Didn't come off the ball well. Colts coach Weeb Ewbank tried for years to get him to drive off his back foot. Big Daddy often just stood up....Outstanding tackler. When he got you, you stayed got. Led the Colts in tackles one year, unusual for a defensive tackle....Known to pile on. Broke teammate Gino Marchetti's leg in the '58 championship game that way....Had a reputation as a cheap-shot artist when he was with the Rams but played it pretty straight later in his career. Sometimes used rough stuff to intimidate opponents- especially rookies. Liked to drop in on piles knees first....Great headslap. Wadded his hands and forearms with tape and used them as weapons. Hit Browns guard Jim Ray Smith once, and Smith's knees buckled. The Browns ran the film of the play over and over again for laughs.
    Signed as a free agent in '53 out of the Marines. Three teams wanted him. Went with the Rams when PR director Pete Rozelle flew to San Francisco, where Big Daddy was playing in a basketball game....Didn't do much in L.A. Fell asleep in meetings, had money and women troubles. Showed inconsistent efforts. The team finally waived him....Picked up by the Colts in '56, and Ewbank made him a project. The coach talked him up to the press and is responsible for much of the Big Daddy mystique....Made two Pro Bowls and two all-league teams in five seasons with Colts but consistently graded lower than other linemen. Wasn't even Baltimore's best tackle: Art Donovan was....Wore out his welcome with his Colts teammates with his style of laying back and making tackles....Crashed white teammate L.G. Dupre's party and a fight broke out....The Colts traded him and OG Buzz Nutter to Pittsburgh in '61 for WR Jimmy Orr, DT Joe Lewis and Dick Campbell....Played well for the Steelers. Was unstoppable in the '63 Pro Bowl: 11 tackles, two forced fumbles, one pass batted down.
    Summary: Good player. Great on occasion. Let him make a play early and you'd have your hands full all day. Stick him hard on the first series of each half and you'd probably be OK. Instead of charging hard, Big Daddy usually just floated until he diagnosed the play and then ran it down, so you had to stay with your block on him.

    Weeb Ewbank: "He would accept blocks. But he was strong and wouldn't give an inch. He'd hold his ground and stay in his lane. A lot of guys would get irritated with him because they'd be in there flushing the guy out and Big Daddy would make the tackle. I used to say that although we had a four-man front, we played one of the first three-man lines (because Big Daddy dogged it so much)."

    Art Donovan: "On the defensive line he was nothing more than an overgrown kid, and men have a way of handling overgrown kids."

    Lions guard Harley Sewell: "The last game I played against him was in the '63 Pro Bowl, and he whipped my hind end. He did whatever he wanted to. He really made me look bad. I got traded the next year. I always blamed that on Big Daddy. That was the first time in my life I was completely overcome and couldn't do anything about it."
     
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    Yeh he was quite the personality, I cannot imagine seeing him lineup across the line back in the day with that size, the O-linemen must have been fearful
     
  4. Cakes

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    Yeah, him, Buck Buchanan (6'7", 270), and Ernie Ladd (6'9", 290) were huge.
     
  5. Martin&theJETS

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    Dang they are tall.
     
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    SI's NFL All-Century Team

    Posted: Wednesday October 06, 1999 03:30 PM

    By Paul Zimmerman

    My alltime NFL team isn't designed to take the field; it's merely a compilation of my choices for the finest players at each position. There are multiple listings at some positions because I simply couldn't choose between players or because different eras demanded completely different skills. Why the odd number of roster spots, 41? Well, I had a good round number -- 40 -- but then I remembered I'd left off the greatest wedge buster I've ever seen, 254-pound tackle Henry Schmidt. If this team were designed to take the field, I'd send my 41 guys out against your 45 and take my chances.

    To make my selections, I used a roomful of game programs and play-by-play charts, the by-product of 56 years of grading and annotating player performances. How many games? I'd estimate close to 2,000. By way of the magic of two satellite-dish outlets and three VCRs, all dutifully pulling their weight on Sunday afternoons, I've seen well over 100 games in their entirety in each of the last five years or so. You want to know how Cleveland's Chuck Noll did against the Giants' Bill Albright? Leo Nomellini of the 49ers against the Packers' trapping guards? It's all in the charts.

    OFFENSIVE BACKFIELD


    You can't select one quarterback to span all eras. In 1978, the year before Joe Montana came into the league, the rules were changed to open up the passing game. Receivers couldn't be bumped once they got five yards downfield, and offensive holding rules were liberalized. Montana, perfectly suited to Bill Walsh's offense, is my top quarterback of the last 20 years. John Unitas, playing in his relentless, teeth-gritting style, under the old rules (which made things tougher on quarterbacks), is my No. 1 of the pre-'78 days. Running back was the toughest position to narrow down. Jim Brown was the perfect combination of grace, power and speed. He rewrote all NFL rushing records. Hugh McElhenny, the King, could turn a short pass into a crazy-legged, broken-field adventure. My pure fullback? Marion Motley was a rumbling force and the finest pass-blocking back I've ever seen. But on fourth-and-short there's no player I'd rather give the ball to than Earl Campbell.

    QUARTERBACK
    Pre-1978 rules: John Unitas (Colts, Chargers) 1956-73
    Post-1978 rules: Joe Montana (49ers, Chiefs) 1979-94

    RUNNING BACK
    Tailback: Jim Brown (Browns) 1957-65
    Third down: Hugh McElhenny (49ers, Vikings, Giants, Lions) 1952-64
    Fullback: Marion Motley (Browns, Steelers) 1946-55
    Short yardage: Earl Campbell (Oilers, Saints) 1978-85

    RECEIVERS


    The only player on my squad that I never saw play in the flesh was Don Hutson. So I spent two days in the Packers' film room. I'd never forgotten a story told to me by a Green Bay fan who swore he saw Hutson snatch a ball with one hand -- with the palm turned down. I never saw that play in the films, but what I did see was remarkable enough to make sure he got on this team. Hutson had speed and the same hunger for the long ball that Lance Alworth, my other deep receiver, had, plus the precision timing of my possession wideout, Raymond Berry, plus the toughness of my all-around performer, Jerry Rice. Dave Casper was a converted tackle who blocked like one. No tight end fought off as much traffic to catch the ball.

    WIDE RECEIVER
    Deep: Lance Alworth (Chargers, Cowboys) 1962-72
    Deep: Don Hutson (Packers) 1935-45
    Possession: Raymond Berry (Colts) 1955-67
    All-around: Jerry Rice (49ers) 1985-present

    TIGHT END
    Dave Casper (Raiders, Oilers, Vikings) 1974-84

    TRENCHES


    Art Shell, John Hannah and Jim Parker were the ultimate power linemen. Forrest Gregg and Ron Mix were the first of the light-footed pass blockers. Dwight Stephenson was pure lightning. Defensively, Reggie White combined power at the point with a relentless pass rush. Deacon Jones and Rich Jackson, whose career was cut short by injury, were also nonstop pass rushers and were sturdy against the run. I couldn't break the tie among Joe Greene, Bob Lilly and Merlin Olsen. Greene combined great quickness with power, and Lilly was the most technically sound. Olsen was the greatest bull-rush tackle ever.

    OFFENSIVE TACKLE
    Power: Art Shell (Raiders) 1968-82
    Speed: Forrest Gregg (Packers, Cowboys) 1956, '58-71
    Speed: Ron Mix (Chargers, Raiders) 1960-69, '71

    OFFENSIVE GUARD
    John Hannah (Patriots) 1973-85
    Jim Parker (Colts) 1957-67

    CENTER
    Dwight Stephenson (Dolphins) 1980-87

    DEFENSIVE END
    Power: Reggie White (Eagles, Packers) 1985-98
    Rush: Deacon Jones (Rams, Chargers, Redskins) 1961-74
    Rush: Rich Jackson (Raiders, Broncos, Browns) 1966-72

    DEFENSIVE TACKLE
    Power: Merlin Olsen (Rams) 1962-76
    Speed: Joe Greene (Steelers) 1969-81
    All-around: Bob Lilly (Cowboys) 1961-74

    LINEBACKERS


    No outside 'backer manhandled tight ends the way Dave Wilcox did; he was impossible for a tight end to hook. Jack Ham, blessed with phenomenal instincts, was the finest in coverage. You can't compare Ham with Lawrence Taylor, though, who had almost no cover responsibilities but created a new position -- the rush linebacker. Ted Hendricks? An all-around star. In the middle, Dick Butkus and Willie Lanier were run stuffers supreme and better in coverage than they got credit for.

    OUTSIDE LINEBACKER
    Strongside: Dave Wilcox (49ers) 1964-74
    Weakside: Jack Ham (Steelers) 1971-82
    Rush: Lawrence Taylor (Giants) 1981-93
    All-around: Ted Hendricks (Colts, Packers, Raiders) 1969-83

    MIDDLE LINEBACKER
    Dick Butkus (Bears) 1965-73
    Willie Lanier (Chiefs) 1967-77

    SECONDARY


    Willie Brown and Dick (Night Train) Lane were masters of the smothering, bump-and-run style, physical corners who liked to rough up receivers. Jimmy Johnson and Deion Sanders will be remembered as pure downfield cover guys, so feared that they often went entire games without being tested deep. Free safety also encompasses yet another set of techniques. Willie Wood was a narrow choice over the Cardinals' Larry Wilson as a deep patroller with tremendous instincts. Cliff Harris is my other choice because of his killer style. "An obstructionist," Raiders owner Al Davis calls this type of player. At strong safety Ken Houston had the perfect combination of range and hitting ability, and he was uncanny at sniffing out the run.

    CORNERBACK
    Open-field: Jimmy Johnson (49ers) 1961-76
    Open-field: Deion Sanders (Falcons, 49ers, Cowboys) 1989-present
    Bump-and-run: Dick (Night Train) Lane (Rams, Cardinals, Lions) 1952-65
    Bump-and-run: Willie Brown (Broncos, Raiders)1963-78

    SAFETY
    Strong safety: Ken Houston (Oilers, Redskins) 1967-80
    Free safety: Cliff Harris (Cowboys) 1970-79
    Free safety: Willie Wood (Packers) 1960-71

    SPECIALISTS
    Kicker: Morten Andersen (Saints, Falcons) 1982-present
    Punter: Tommy Davis (49ers) 1959-69
    Kick returner: Gale Sayers (Bears) 1965-71
    Punt returner: Darrien Gordon (Chargers, Broncos, Raiders) 1993-present
    Wedge buster: Henry Schmidt (49ers, Chargers, Bills, Jets) 1959-66

    COACHES


    The Packers were in a state of collapse before Vince Lombardi arrived in 1959, and their fortunes plummeted after he left in 1969. He was famous for his motivational ploys, but let's not forget his innovations: the run-to-daylight approach, going deep on third-and-short. A terrific football mind lurked behind the emotional fireworks. Bill Walsh is my offensive coordinator. His passing attack changed the game in the modern era. As for a defensive coordinator, Bud Carson's cerebral style produced the most dominating defense I've ever seen: the Steelers' from 1972 through '77.

    Issue date: August 30, 1999
     
  7. Cakes

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    The Sporting News' Top 100 Players (from a couple years ago)
    1. Jim Brown
    2. Jerry Rice
    3. Joe Montana
    4. Lawrence Taylor
    5. Johnny Unitas
    6. Don Hutson
    7. Otto Graham
    8. Walter Payton
    9. Dick Butkus
    10. Bob Lilly
    11. Sammy Baugh
    12. Barry Sanders
    13. Deacon Jones
    14. Joe Greene
    15. Gino Marchetti
    16. John Elway
    17. Anthony Munoz
    18. Ray Nitschke
    19. Night Train Lane
    20. John Hannah
    21. Gale Sayers
    22. Reggie White
    23. Ronnie Lott
    24. Jim Parker
    25. Merlin Olsen
    26. O.J. Simpson
    27. Dan Marino
    28. Forrest Gregg
    29. Roger Staubach
    30. Jack Lambert
    31. Lance Alworth
    32. Marion Motley
    33. Earl Campbell
    34. Alan Page
    35. Bronko Nagurski
    36. Mel Blount
    37. Deion Sanders
    38. Eric Dickerson
    39. Sid Luckman
    40. Raymond Berry
    41. Bart Starr
    42. Willie Lanier
    43. Larry Wilson
    44. Terry Bradshaw
    45. Herb Adderley
    46. Steve Largent
    47. Jack Ham
    48. John Mackey
    49. Bill George
    50. Willie Brown
    51. Randy White
    52. Bobby Layne
    53. Tony Dorsett
    54. Chuck Bednarik
    55. Art Shell
    56. Mike Singletary
    57. Roosevelt Brown
    58. Bruce Smith
    59. Fran Tarkenton
    60. Paul Warfield
    61. Ken Houston
    62. Gene Upshaw
    63. Steve Young
    64. Ted Hendricks
    65. Joe Schmidt
    66. Bobby Bell
    67. Buck Buchanan
    68. Emmitt Smith
    69. Willie Davis
    70. Emlen Tunnell
    71. Lenny Moore
    72. Marcus Allen
    73. Kellen Winslow
    74. Mel Hein
    75. Mike Webster
    76. Sam Huff
    77. Steve Van Buren
    78. Jim Otto
    79. Larry Little
    80. Red Grange
    81. Darrell Green
    82. Brett Favre
    83. Franco Harris
    84. Dwight Stephenson
    85. Charley Taylor
    86. Jack Christiansen
    87. Rod Woodson
    88. Jim Thorpe
    89. Elroy Hirsch
    90. Mike Ditka
    91. Art Monk
    92. Dan Fouts
    93. Mike Haynes
    94. Fred Biletnikoff
    95. Troy Aikman
    96. Joe Namath
    97. Lem Barney
    98. George Blanda
    99. Lou Groza
    100. Charlie Joiner
     
  8. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    If everyone can just give me the stadium where they would like their team's home games to take place that would be great. No luck in getting some one to create some for us (I thought it would be difficult anyway)

    I'll take Cleveland's Municipal Stadium

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    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    I like what Murrell did. I will also use an historic stadium.

    I'll take Metropolitan Stadium in Bloomington. (The Mall of America is now in its place.)

    I love snow, plus it's the scene of my QB's most famous play.


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    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    It makes perfect sense for us to use historic stadiums. If you want to go with a current one, that would be good, too.

    Here are some interesting old ones, you guys may want to use one of these-

    *Metropolitan Stadium (Vikings)
    War Memorial Stadium (Bills)- ancient, nasty stadium with nasty fans
    Kezar Stadium (49ers)- nasty fans and plenty of sea gulls
    Municipal Stadium (Chiefs)
    *Municipal Stadium (Browns)- The Mistake by the Lake
    RFK Stadium (Redskins)- may have had the best atmosphere (Pat Summerall said it was his favorite stadium)
    Shea Stadium (Jets)
    Mile High Stadium (Broncos)
    Jeppesen Stadium (Oilers)- smelled like a septic tank and was infested with mosquitoes
    Franklin Field (Eagles)
    Wrigley Field (Bears)
    Tulane Stadium (Saints)- hosted Super Bowl 9
    Orange Bowl (Dolphins)
    Tiger Stadium (Lions)
    Yankee Stadium (Giants)

    *already taken
     
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    I'll take this one :beer:
     
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    I'll take a stadium that is both historical and current. A truly great stadium.
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    Lambeau Field
     
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    Sweet, so I ended up with 11 of em. Not bad, I guess
     
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    Kezar Stadium (49ers)- nasty fans and plenty of sea gulls, I like San Fran, some good Irish pubs there, I guess my Shamrocks are moving to the Bay Area


    11. Sammy Baugh
    19. Night Train Lane
    22. Reggie White
    35. Bronko Nagurski
    55. Art Shell
    56. Mike Singletary
    82. Brett Favre
    95. Troy Aikman

    I ended up with 8, still happy with that number
     
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    The Warriors select Arrowhead Stadium (Chiefs) - With a sea of red in the stands it is still considered the best home field advantage in the NFL

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    Ended up with 11 as well, I'll take it
     
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    John Elway gets to return home. This is another great home-field advantage stadium.

    Mile High Stadium
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  18. Murrell2878

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    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    Just throwing this one in here for my use

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    Here you go

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    Sorry Donnie, 1028 already called this one
     
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