how is that misinformation? sorry my man brush up on your history. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2042190 Heath Miller was a potential pick that year, and our pick could have been used to draft him. Think before you speak.
Let's recap that move. Traded our 1st round pick for Doug Jolley and a 2nd round pick. We used one of two 2nd round picks for Mike Nugent and the other for Justin Miller.... Jolley, Miller and Nugent are all gone. Brilliant move.
I'm not sure what those quotes have to do w anything. Accoridng to you guys Chad sucks or is mediocre. You guys talk about Cutler like he has done something in this league so shouldn't his expectations be higher? He has great POTENTIAL but so far he has been a disappointment as an NFL QB. Why in the World would a team want to get rid of a QB if they think he can be great?
thats not the point of what we got for compensation. the point is that we could have used the FIRST ROUND selection on a tightend like Heath Miller, which is who I wanted in that draft class at our spot. Rather we traded 1st round selection for Doug Jolly. He was terrible. Used a 2nd round pick on Nugent. He's a kicker. Justin Miller was a standout on ST. where is the brilliance in a fuck up?
and we used one of the extra picks we got to help get Kerry Rhodes. For that it was worth it and heath Miller has been nothing but average since the day he stepped on an NFL field.
We now have a MUCH better receiving TE, heath Miller is nothing but average. Dustin keller has only started 6 games in 1 season and he had 48 recs, Miller's career high in 4 years (the lowest # of starts he had was 14) is 48 recs.
I don't agree with this. I've heard a lot of people pin the Favre trade either mostly, or even solely, on Woody. But I always got the impression that Tannenbaum was LEGITIMATELY excited about Favre and really thought it could make us a championship contender. Tannenbaum always seemed to be in love with the idea of having Favre on the team. If you go back and read all the things Tanny did to convince him to come (all of the things Favre has revealed in interviews that Tanny told him, etc), it just makes it obvious that Tanny really wanted the guy. He made it very apparent that he really liked the IDEA of the Jets with a future HOF quarterback. And he really believed Farve was the missing piece that would turn us into a championship contender. And you know what? At 8-3, it looked like he was right and a lot of us believed he was right. As we all know, Favre played terribly down the stretch (partially because he was injured and out of shape and partially because he was just making awful decisions like many washed up quarterbacks tend to do with increasing regularity as time goes on), and so, the trade didn't turn out the way we all hoped. But I truly believe that Tannenbaum thought it was the right football move for the team.
The point is that you know damn well it's not just the QB that gets you to the playoffs. It's a team game. They don't want to get rid of him. If they did they would have him on the block already. They're trying to talk him into staying. He has done something, and is far from a disappointment. He's proven he can shred NFL defenses and do it during crunch time (3rd down, 4th quarter). He is going into his prime and will only get better. Just because he hasn't made the playoffs with that shitty defense or in his first 7 games as a starter doesn't mean anything to me. I know the probowl doesn't mean much, but usually your first time getting in is on performance. It's the older guys who get in on reputation. As for Chad, I've said many times why I don't like him but you don't like my reasons. I think he does a good job of consistently beating average -> below average NFL defenses. I'll leave it at that.
Not that I'm defending the trade, but you make it out to be worse then it was. The trade was Jolley and a second. We moved down abotu 20 spots to get Jolley, not give up an entire pick. Still Heath Miller >>>>>>>>> then that trade.
Yea, it was situation normal for Farvre in the last few years. It was nice as a fan to have that hope of going into the playoffs with a big time QB. If your right about woody's man crush on Favre, or the PSL angle that many have pointed out, it would seem a natural fit for the Jets to overpay for a probowl QB at this point. Jay Cutler could just be that guy.
I understand a QB needs help but at some point excuses need to stop. he's not helping his D w/ his turnovers. We saw how mucg better their D looked when he wasn't turning over at the meadowlands a few months ago. To me he's a disappointment b/c people talk about him like he is great when in reality he hasn't done anything yet except put up some meaningless #s. I think he has the potential to be great, I don't know where I stand on trading for him. I am waffling but this is not a slam dunk, if it was Denver would never even entertain the thought of trading him.
True. Getting Rhodes who has played like a late 1st rounder did make it worth it and we do have a better TE now, but overall that trade didn't work out.
Yeah, I always say when assessing that trade that you look at the thought at the time of the trade. Getting Rhodes was awesome and worked out; but don't mistakenly think that trade was made, knowing Rhodes would come out of it.
I guess I need to clarify to you. We didn't just trade our 1st round pick to Oakland for Doug Jolley. We received a 2nd round pick (which we used on Justin Miller) and two 6 round picks. Many people make the suggestion that we traded our 1st round pick for Jolley straight up which is not and never was the case. This has been discussed many many times on here, which is why Badger made his post.
There is no brilliance in that move, but nor is there in saying it was a first for Jolley. Thats just not true at all. No matter how you argue that it was a poor move, the truth remains that you were either misinformed or jsut plain lying about the trade in your first post. Nothing backs up the validity of an argument like typing in all caps and swearing. It really helps to hammer that point home. Good job! :up:
I agree that the Jolley trade looks pretty bad now with Kerry Rhodes being the only thing we still have from it, but I think we were still better off making that trade than drafting Heath Miller with that 1st rounder.
