All Eyes on Idzik

I'm not sure Idzik was the best choice. I think the only real reason that Woody hired him is because he agreed to keep Ryan and not bring in his own guy. How many good GM's stayed away from our process because of this stipulation?
Its seems that the team we love is spiraling out of control. I hope Mr Johnson and Idzik hear how the fans sound and feel about this. Not the dumb asses on here that think we should give Rex and Geno another 3-5 years.
I've been going to Jet games since 1995. I don't remember a stretch like this where we had no rising starts and the future looked so bleak. I hope we have a good off season.

 

Woody paid $600m for this team so he can hire who he wants even if they're not the most qualified. What bugs me is that its always someone that has to learn on the job instead of someone already good at the job. He hires Ryan who was passed over in Baltimore and never a HC. He hires Idzik who was never a GM. 5 years in and Ryan still hasn't become the total HC, still knows nothing about offense. Idzik's personnel moves, outside of Richardson, have been sketchy. Ivory was good. Goodson bad. Milliner bad, Geno bad, Garrard bad.

I would like to think that Idzik after a year on the job, has the authority to either extend Ryan or fire him. If not, Woody might not ever give him that authority which would put Woody in the Jerry Jones class of owner.

This "Competition" fraud the Jet FO/CS has perpetrated on the fanbase is shameful to say the least. Ed Reed playing over AA reeks of favoritism. Geno vs. Sanchez was never really a competition but that's what was sold to the suckers that buy the PSL's and the swag. Now you see it with Simms not seeing any 1st team reps but being expected to accomplish something with that unit when Geno shits the bed.

If this Jet FO/CS isn't careful, the fanbase will once again lose faith in them and those unsold PSL's will remain exactly that.

 

I'm sorry but saying we shouldn't have hired rex ryan and idzik because they weren't head coaches or gms before now is nonsense. most teams have hired first time head coaches and gms from other teams. With other teams they were either assitant gms or head of the scouting dept or ocs and dcs. People have to start somewhere and learn as they go. Good gms and hcs don't spring from the ground as you seem to believe.

I'm sure idzik has full authority to fire ryan if he sees fit. That said, to say that no other candidates came because they had to be stuck with ryan as hc is speculation and not a very good one. lots of gms have gone to other teams with a head coach already in place. Idzik is no different.

However, I will say that you are right, that rex plays his favorites and to the detriment of the team.

 

Your own words are a good reason we SHOULD replace Rex. You said Buffalo and Miami "have been terrible since the turn of the century." Well, they BOTH just embarrassed Rex's jets. What does that say about where Rex has the jets at this point? If he is getting his butt kicked by such bad teams as you label them, he must really stink. It's insane to keep a coach just for the sake of keeping him when he is dragging us thru our THIRD non-winning season in a row, and we are getting pushed around by the bills and the fins.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting Rex to change the jets.

 

7 to 9 wins was an unrealistic expectation. Look at what the Jets had to do to get under the cap. The 2011 team had more talent than this team and they went 8-8.

Again, this is expectations tripping you up. The Jets were a 5+ win team this year with maybe 9 if they got extremely lucky. It turns out that they got lucky and they still may not get close to .500.

The Jets had no cap room to sign major free agents on the offensive side, which is what they'd have needed to do to get to respectability. There was nobody to draft on that side either who would have fixed anything for them in the first 13 picks.

The plan was to overload on offensive linemen and try to get things stabilized in the trenches so they could develop a QB. The problem is that the WR's weren't all that good and the best got hurt (again.)

I'm excited about where this team could be in two years. They have the same fundamentals in place as the Bucs did in the late 90's, right down to the great pass rush and crappy offensive skill players after Mike Alstott. Obviously we need to resolve the QB position better than Tony Dungy did.

 

I knew this team was better than last year and I will stand by that. You may think that they were a 5 win team, but with the coaching on offense and defense I had a feeling we would be better than last year. 2012, we won 6 games with Sparano and Tebow leading the headlines. We were extremely slow on defense.

Your boy Geno is a good reason why we might not get to my projected wins of 7. Every opportunity he has had to make a play he's either overthrown the WR by 10 yards or under-threw him by 5 yards. That's not to say it's all his fault, but the opportunities he's had to make up with it, he shit the bed.

Brad I respect what you bring to the table on this board, but I am not agreeing with what you are saying here, and that's fine.

 

A smart GM would have seen the 2013 QB class and said there is no one worth taking here and selected the best skill players on the board at 9 and 39...Richardson was the only solid pick.

He could have gone with the top WR/TE/or RB in those two spots, started Sanchez and been in great position in 2014 to get a QB, another skill player, and defensive secondary help via thr draft and free agency. Now you basically wasted an entire draft to improve the already best part of the team.

 

You knew that a team losing both of it's guards and starting Vlad and a 30 year old journeyman was better than last year?

You knew that a team losing LaRon Landry in the middle of the field was better than last year?

You knew that a team starting a rookie QB was *better* than last year?

I could probably add a half dozen items to the list but whats the point? The Jets purged the roster this year and let go of no fewer than 7 starters on defense and 5 or 6 on offense and yet you knew they were going to be a better team on the field this year?

That's the reason you are pissed off.

If I knew going into the season that the Jets were going to win 10 games this year and make the playoffs I'd be really pissed off too. I'd be an idiot, but I'd be pissed off.

I know I'm spending too much time and space on this issue and I apologize for any offense I'm giving in the process. It's just that my hysteria is based on the perception that the Jets are doing worse than you'd have expected going into the season and that somebody has to be to blame for that. The facts are that this was never a good team and it was going to be a cap spike year no matter what. To have the level of hysteria about the team losing when that was what was supposed to happen is just insane.

Just adding in one more thing.

This Jets team was widely seen as among the weakest in the league at the beginning of the year. This showed up everywhere but particularly in the power rankings. The other thing that was widely and sagely commented upon by most of the pundits was how Rex had to win this year to save his job. So all year long we've been living with conflicting memes in play - "the Jets are bad" but "Rex must win".

Don't you think maybe Woody Johnson and John Idzik are just a bit smarter than that?

 

I believe with Sanchez this team is in control of their playoff destiny and would be a lock for the #6 seed. When Sanchez went down my expectations went from pretty high to I hope Smith does enough to not destroy the fabric of the team...guess I can still wish that he doesn't but it is looking that way.

 

Anybody who had high expectations with Mark Sanchez and 11 new starters in the mix, well I don't really know what to say about that other than asking where the portal to your reality is.

 

In pre season I saw Sanchez clicking well with all of his receivers - even Hill was looking solid. The running game showed potential, they were moving the ball, and putting points on the board. The defensive front looked light years faster than last season and the team as a whole seemed to have a lot more spark than in 2012.

With Geno there is no balance, now flow, no leadership, no control of the offense. He is playing like a rookie and not showing any of the leadership or intangibles you need from the QB position. You have a QB that demonstrates nothing, hasn't scored in weeks, and players will start to play down to his level. Lack hustle, drive, passion -- why kill myself if the team doesn't care enough about winning to give us a chance.

 

And who is he trotting out there to play quarterback again this week?

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Pretty much spot on here. With that said I always felt the Jets had a chance to be in the playoff mix in spite of the fact that the team was in rebuild and clearly lacked enough overall talent.

I never believed the Jets were any good but I believe the NFL is now designed to allow teams that aren't very good to compete and make the playoffs. The Jets are were in the hunt is some respects because of the way the league is designed. There is a huge difference between being competitive on the curve that is engineered into the league and being a real solid, good football team.

 

Losing Brandon Moore hurt no doubt, but there must of been a reason as to why they let Slauson go. Let's ask Idzik - this all goes back to the decisions made in the off-season. I said that the G position was crucial.

LaRon Landry was overrated, and was graded poorly at the safety position last year. Antonio Allen our best safety this season did pretty well against Gronk and also gave Tom Brady fits. Allen has been better for the price. Why we benched him? Rex Ryan's loyalty.

Whose decision was it to draft Geno Smith and start him in the first place? Geno Smith has NOT been better than Mark Sanchez. We had worse weapons last year and a shit offensive coordinator. Mark should of been the starter this year. Your dislike for Sanchez had blinded you. Geno has done nothing this season other then a good performance against an awful Atlanta team. Mark almost led us to beating the Texans last yr a SB contender at the time.

My point is the front office does not have a plan in place. It never did starting from last draft. Are we rebuilding, retooling or contending? If we were rebuilding we should of drafted the BPA at positions that needed the most help in certain rounds. The amount of skill position players drafted in the past 5 years how many?

Never said the Jets were going to win 10 games this year, but the fact of the matter is, I don't see a plan in place. I still see the same mistakes made when we drafted Stephen Hill and Vlad Ducasse.

What is the Jets plan to return to contention in your opinion Brad? How is an often injured CB, a project QB with no weapons going to help us down the road Brad? I see skill position players this year, but I see us with Geno Smith who is a bad QB - and will prob continue to be a bad QB even with weapons.

If the Jets were smart, they would re-tool the skill position players and wait for a QB to draft that they truly like in the 1st round in this 2014 draft. Ride it out with Mark for one more season in 2013. Imagine us with Keenan Allen, Jordan Reed or whomever on offense that we missed out on, then looked to draft Derek Carr this year?

So much more promise to look forward to.

Also, regarding this team being better than last year's team - I think with newly required weapons from the 2013, Mark who is better than Geno we could of def won 7 games because the coaching is far better this year then last.

It's all about having a plan in place. I maybe all over the place on this post and that's on me, but that would of been the best way to return to the playoffs.

 

I agree 100% -- Geno was a stupid pick. What was the point of reaching for a second round QB that no one else wanted. They needed to much skill - TE/WR options were all over the place. Now they need to re-address those in 2014. Passing on a QB makes the most sense since picking one means you now have a rookie QB to compete with Geno without skill players.

I think the draft this year set the timetable for the Jets back a year.

 

Easily, I believe we could of contended for a playoff spot in 2014 with the new QB, and the weapons in 2013. 2015 we could of really made a run IMO if we had that particular plan. And that is with Rex and Marty coaching the defense / offense.

Geno will get Rex fired, we will look for a new coach and there is a chance we get set back maybe 2 or 3 years - because do we really feel confident in a coach that can get the best out of Coples, Wilkerson, Richardson and the other pieces on the D-Line?

But fans got SO sick of Sanchez that wasting a 2nd rounder on a QB that can't play in windy and cold conditions were far more important ... Geno in a sense was a PR move to help sell PSLs more than likely.

 

If Rex gets fired I believe he will be in NE for a D coordinator interview that evening.

 

Nope. Belichik talks for his team. None of the other coaches get to talk much. That goes back to Bill Parcells and his management style. Rex isn't going to go someplace where he is muzzled.

 

Listen if he can gag Moss and Dillon, BB can handle Rex.