Adam Shefter:Sanchez impresses...

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  1. LAJet

    LAJet Well-Known Member

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    Excellent points. If they choose to ease-in Gene as you suggested, would for sure signify that they have lost all confidence in Sanchez even for the short term and sadly, demonstrate in training camp that albeit in his fifth year, he was unable to clearly differentiate himself from our rookie QB.
     
  2. cval

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    It is not about the playbook he will learn that soon enough. His issue going to a WCO is playing under center. So not only is he learning the WCO but also is working on his drops which will take longer than learning the playbook.

    This is why he fell to the second round teams knew he would have to be taught to play under center. High draft pick Qbs that have played mainly in the shot gun have struggled playing right away.

    The kid has talent lets give him every opportunity to succeed and that means giving him time to learn.

    It is not like he is Tebow and needs to learn how to throw he just has to learn how to throw starting from under center.
     
  3. Jay Bizniss

    Jay Bizniss Well-Known Member

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    Why can't they play the West Coast with Geno lining up in Shotgun the majority of the time?? Why not play to the guys strengths instead of forcing him to learn something totally different. I know he is going to have to learn how to play under center and drop back, but ease him into that. Run the same plays out of Shotgun.....
     
  4. The 1985er

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    Didn't Geno play in a pro style offense for a year in college? I'm sure the transition can't be that tough.
     
  5. Br4d

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    All the better reason to just take the natural 7 in the first place.
     
  6. G_know4Pres

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    Apart from the past 2 years under Holgs, Geno has played under center his entire life. Thats why Bill Stewart recruited him, because he fit the mold of the run and gun, pro-style O. As a true sophmore he was extremely efficient under center for an entire season.
     
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    It seemed like Joe Montana was always in the shotgun in the wco
     
  8. cval

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    If you can't comprehend this I just do not know what to say?
     
  9. cval

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    Well not according to the reports he is struggling with his drops.
     
  10. laxin

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    RG3 has succeeded in the Redskins hybrid WCO. I know that its not a full WCO, but it shows that the system can change to fit a QBs needs. Ryan Tannehill was a wide recevier in college, and then transitioned to his current OC's scheme. Im sure he had to learn the intricacies of dropping back. Cam Newton who played primarily in a shot gun offense in college has learned how to drop back in the NFL. Im not sure if its a WCO, but I do know that he is required to do 3,5,7 step drops.

    Mornhinweg catered his offense to Vick's strengths. He was mostly a shotgun QB prior to his time with the Eagles I believe.

    If Geno is the best man for the job, but needs some coaching up in the process (as expected), there's no reason to believe MM wouldnt utilize Geno's strengths and then open up the playbook (and drops) as the season goes on.
     
  11. Hobbes3259

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    laxin, i hate to point this out, but Fannyhill did not transition to his OCs scheme.

    Miami imported his college coach.

    Also, fannyhill was not a WR in college. He was a QB forced to play WR, because he couldnt win the job.

    Just like in Miami.

    Distorting the facts makes the arguments worse.


    In this case, the facts are....

    Sanchez has underperformed, but delivered at the NFL level, in bad circumstances.

    Smith, has over performed, but has not played NFL level of offense.He is a talented, but even greener player than Sanchez was coming out.

    He is, no matter what the company line is, or the media pushes.,.,unlikely to see significant time barring catastrophe.


    P.S. Tannehill sucks. When Sanchez os under center week one, tannehill wont be as good as the Jets backup QB.

    This may have been a weak QB draft, but Id take Smith over FannyHill, everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

    Eventually, Smith will be a better QB than Sanchez...Tannehill is Chad Henne redux.
     
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  12. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    How do you figure Smith is greener than Sanchez coming out of college?
     
  13. Hobbes3259

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    Because Smirh has been playing the airraid, out of the Shotgun. Playing under center is a major adjustment, one that Lee has said, is a concern rightnow.

    Ive long defended Sanchez on the basis of lack of college starts, but he did at least play in a pro style offense....
     
  14. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    First off, Smith played in the air raid only a part of the time he was in college. He played in 3 different systems in college so learning a new offense probably isn't too big a deal for him.

    Not having as much experience under center is something he'll have to deal with but it doesn't make him less experienced overall as a QB than Sanchez was coming out of college. Sanchez was more experienced taking a snap from center and that's IT. Geno has far more experience at every other aspect of playing QB coming out of college than Sanchez did. And last I checked you can play out of the shotgun in the NFL if you want to.

    It's June and Smith isn't ready yet. That could very well be different come September. If not, that's no surprise, but it still doesn't mean he's coming into it less experienced than Sanchez.

    Sanchez is probably done the second Smith IS ready. You and the Sancho defenders should mentally prepare yourselves for that.
     
  15. Geno7

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    While I do think there may be some adjustment time for Geno, as its been pointed out he's played in multiple systems in college, and his work ethic and dedication to studying and improving himself as a player is second to none. I think the his biggest hurdle will be adjusting to the speed of the game, handling the pressure, and developing a better internal clock of when to get rid of the ball.
     
  16. murksauce

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    Wow. Hobbes, your pro Sanchez campaign is pretty intense. What did Geno do to you?

    Its like your hoping he fails or something... If Geno has the tools that will end up making him a better QB than Sanchez will ever be, whats wrong with investing time into teaching him. And you are saying that Geno was greener than Sanchez as rookies????
     
  17. laxin

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    I said that Tannehill played WR in college, which is fact. I said that he transitioned from a college WR to a QB under his current OC, which yes I do know was the same one as he had at Texas A&M. My point was that Tannehill had to make a quick transition to an NFL type offense and learn how to play under center, which is fact. And once again, you subjectivity fails you... Tannehill showed some promise as a rookie. He wasnt great, but he had some very good spots.


    As LTJF said, Geno Smith is not even close to as "green" as Sanchez was coming out. Everything aside from playing under center (which can be adapted to in todays NFL), Geno has more experience than Sanchez.




    That last line, did you just concede that Smith will be a better QB than Sanchez, or am I reading that wrong...?
     
  18. Hobbes3259

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    Well played my friend.

    But OBrien is long past his prime :beer:
     
  19. Hobbes3259

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    Even Lee said the basics are tough right now, so your first point is moot.


    And...FWIW, so...by your post a greener QB took you to two AFCCG, in two years, and you are throwing him under the bus after one losing season?

    Some fan.
     
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  20. Hobbes3259

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    I said, he may turn out to be. Bfd.

    Tell me..,who had the better season, their last year in college?
     

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