How do you know all this? Quit using hyperbole. If that was the case who is to say that Rivers or Romo couldn't take these Jets to the playoffs? If those QB's had their struggles what makes you think Sanchez would do any better? Your bias is clouding any sort of logic.
The Mark Sanchez that played at the end of 2012 wouldn't be playing in the playoffs but then again he wouldn't have the lack of weapons we had to fall into bad habits either. if my choice is 2012 then obviously I don't take him but I think if we had weapons he would be more like 2010. 100% have you guys watched Romo and Rivers play? year after year Dallas and SD were favorites to reach the SB and the ONE time either got close was when Rivers got hurt and Billy Volek came in and led the GW TD drive in the div rd. The 80s and 90s are LONG over. The NFC East has been competitive but far from great and those teams don't have to worry about a team like NE. The proof is in the play. they have had significantly more talent in easier divisions to win yet btw the 2 they have one title game app in many more seasons and the reason SD made that title game was b/c Volek led the GW TD while Rivers was hurt. Just loo at our '09 div rd game, the difference in the game was at QB. Rivers made multiple big mistakes, sanchez did not and despite a lesser team and playing on the 3 road 3 time zone's away mark's team moved on to the title game.
talk football, no one wants or needs your useless philosophies of life. If you don't want or can't be productive in the discussions then just read them and save the mickey mouse comments for your head.
You are adding conditions to the argument. I want you to answer truthfully. Who would you want with a young defense and a great special teams? With a suspect receiving corps and a very good running back corps? I would take 2010 Sanchez in a minute, because he had not lost his confidence and had not realized his mortality. That guy is not the same as 2012 Sanchez, and even the best running backs cannot save him from disaster. This guy is not the same, junc. You know it. Maybe his world has changed since then, but we will have to see if that is true. We can't count on it at all.
I have said he's not the same but if he consistently had the weapons those other guys had would he have deteriorated into 2012 Sanchez? I have also said he may never recover here, if he is to have success again it may have to be elsewhere. I want him to have the chance to earn his job back but I don't have the same confidence in him I had 2 years ago.
Get a grip. And, Byz...the guy isnt the same. Hes better. Hes demonstrably better than 2010. Sanchez produced 32 scores in 2011, on a mediocre team. Anyone blaming 2012 on the QB is daft. The simple fact is, Sanchez progressed, marginally, his first 3 years, under Schotty. A Schitty coach that almost ruined Drew Brees. The team brought in Tom Moore in 2011 to tweak the RZ offense, and it was second in the NFL? Player problem. Or coaching problem? The 5 overall pick, and 60 million dollars, is a substantial business investment. You do not flush it, without eliminating the external factors first. And...FWIW....today..lSanchez, is better than Smith. 1/3 of Smiths throws last year, went to Tavon Austin, who managed a mighty 11ypc. Smith, is a long way from NFL ready, unless you are importing Brady's offense, and Wes Welker.
Junc 2012, is the ultimate dodge argument. As you said, I said, and Boomer Esiason said, no QB would have been good for the Jets in 2012. There is, an unmistakeable whiff of, the first adopter mentality here.
Is there anything here that can't be discussed in the Sanchez thread? no? Okay, this one should be locked down. we aren't even really talking about the report anymore. Its just more of the same argument over how good or bad Sanchez is and how much responsibility does he have for winning and losing and blah,blah,blah... we have a thread for that.
You're delusional if you truly believe that he's better now than in 2010. 50 turnovers in two years is NOT improving. Throwing 4 interceptions in a must win game is NOT improving. Show me a successful 4th or 5th year QB who has been benched twice for a 3rd string quarterback....I'll wait.
I don't know what would have happened if he had the correct personnel to help him succeed. I only know what he became. It's an exercise in futility to try to imagine what would have been. What would Pennington have become if he hadn't decided to dive head-first for a meaningless first down against Buffalo and then tear his rotator cuff? There is no way tell what would have been. We have to judge based on reality. Yes, there were some factors that affected that reality, but the fact is that Sanchez played like shit in 2012 and you can only blame outside influences so much. At some point, you have to admit the product that he has become. I got a flat tire last week. It was because I was driving through an area that oil equipment is hauled through daily. I hate those trucks. They drop rocks and nails and all kinds of ridiculous debris. But it didn't make that tire any less flat. Sometimes, you have to find a different route to work. But only after you change the tire. And by the way, Hobbes, I have given up on you. You are a boring read. The only reason I responded to this is that I accidentally scrolled too far down from junc's post. You say pretty much the exact same shit every time. Nothing you have to say will mean anything to me until you stop being a caricature of someone that talks football. I don't use the ignore function, but I'm pretty good at recognizing and skipping the posts of people who aren't worth reading. Get a fucking clue, man.
You're right the proof is in the play that's why I can't say I'd rather have Sanchez over Rivers or Romo. If Romo or Rivers couldnt win a championship with their respective teams then why must I believe that Sanchez would have done better on those teams? Especially when he isn't as good as Rivers or Romo?
So, your a mod now. Then maybe you could take your Sanchez sucks buddies, back to the Sanchez sucks thread. Swatting down the chuckleheads that come running in, with the "worst QB in the nefl retardedness" is stupid. Theres a sucks thread youre right. Bit, when it comes to pointing out that there are far worse starters, when someoene defends John Skelton, wake me up. Or Chad Henne. Or Brady Quinn. Abyz, laughably tried to defend Rivers, and Romo....really? Wake me when we have the same weapons.
Remind me again, how the Cowboys last lost to the Jets. Right...Romo choked. Like he always does. :rofl2: tony always finds it hard to swallow. Because he chokes.
Rovers? Really? Faced the Jets several times in the olayoffs...oh-fer, right? Yaeh, the guy Id want in a big game. Right, the loss wasnt the QBs fault, it was a team loss. Like Jets wins are team wins. Ridiculous.
See there you go again we're comparing them as individual players not judging them based on team success or failures.
Hmmm.... Because Romo has, and has always had, 10 times the offensive talent compared to Sanchez. Because somehow a team with Sanchez as QB went to 2 consecutive AFC championship games, where he performed quite well, while Romo has consistently fallen on his face. Is this argument even real? WTF...
maybe this can be the sanchez circle jerk thread and the other one can be to complain about him... yes i like that. i wont be back in this thread. i expect hobbes and junc and raortega to stay out of my thread of hate.
Well, to be fair, neither one can be a discussion, without a counter point. But the Genomaniacs, dont want any discussion. They want Sanchez under the bus, despite plenty of observable circumstances, just because, Geno. Is...a new toy.
Thats exactly what you do. When someone points out success for Sanchez, its the team. When the team fails, like 2012:rofl:its Sanchez. But, hell, as individual players, your Argument fails more, because they have had far more help....or am I wrong about that too. Yes, about as wrong as I was about Garrard....:rofl2:
