Hobbes is delusional. I would take every starting QB in the league over Sanchez. Just because Sanchez just so happen to have been the QB on a few playoff teams that alone is reason to take him over Romo or Rivers? Ridiculous.
There's only about 4 QB situations I wouldn't take straight up right now: Arizona- Aging and not very good Carson Palmer - no future or present Oakland- messy present, very questionable future Cleveland- same as Oakland Jacksonville - same as Oak and Cleve, but worse being tied to Gabbert In NY we have an uglier present with Sanchez and his contract, but at least we have a "who knows?" type hope with Geno Smith. That gives us the edge over those disgusting situations, but I'd gladly trade even up with probably the rest of the teams in this league - even those with limited QBs.
we don't win 4 playoff games w/ Romo or Rivers. we may win an extra reg season game or 2 and have a QB w/ better fantasy #s but both of those QBs have played on more talented teams and can't win in January.
Great post & I think this ends up being the best case scenario for the Jets. This is what everyone should hope happens no matter what they feel about Sanchez. Give Geno time to get used to the West Coast offense, and learn a bit about being a pro - and the Jets get something in return for Mark.
It would be great if the Jets could actually get something for Sanchez at the end. That said he's not likely to do well in a pass-first offense and Marty M's WCO is a heavily pass-oriented offense. Geno's probably also going to have issues early on if he's made to throw the ball a lot. It's a tricky question for the Jets at this point. On the one hand you have a guy who clearly is not a very good passer as the veteran option and on the other you have a rookie, which is a status that tends to cloud prospects in a pass heavy offense the first year. The rookie record for interceptions is held by Peyton Manning.
If Geno gets anywhere near the rookie INT mark he will have a hard time making it here b/c impatient fans will run him out of town like they do w/ so many others.
He's not going to get anywhere near the rookie Int mark but he could easily get to high teens if he threw the ball 500+ times. The WCO, in any variant, is not a high interception offense. Peyton Manning played in a very vertical offense his first year and the Colts had him throw the ball 575 times. It's just really unusual for a team to go all-in like that on a QB. The Colts also drafted heavily to support the offense around Manning and they had Marvin Harrison already on the roster when they put Manning out there as a rookie.
Peyton also threw for 26 touchdowns as a rookie. If Geno threw 26 TD and 28 INT, I think we'd all be happy. Might not make for a ton of wins, but it would show he probably has a future.
It would depend on how many games we won, if we were 3-13 like Peyton the fans would foolishly be going nuts and wanting to get rid of him. It's what Jet fans do.
Carson Palmer sucks but he's better than Sanchez. Matt Flynn essentially gives Raider fans the same "hope" Geno gives us Jets fans. Weeden is an average QB but at least he can still improve and he had a better rookie season than Sanchez. Gabbert sucks but he is in his 3rd season he could take a step up and if we as Jets fans gave Sanchez a pass through 2 years then Gabbert should get that same pass.
Football isn't tennis or golf. I don't attribute team wins/accomplishments as a QB stat. Rivers or Romo wouldn't have been a bottom 3rd QB if he were throwing to the same players Sanchez was throwing to. Also with better QB play in 09 we probably host a playoff. Plus Rivers and Romo gives us a better chance to win that includes a possible championship.
I know college stats are mostly useless but Geno was particularly careful with throwing interceptions in college. He attempted more than 3x as many passes as Sanchez and had only 3 more INT's. I get that they were working with different systems and different players around them, but that's a very significant difference.
Rivers/Romo have played w/ MUCH better talent around them we would have needed to win at least 2 more games to host a playoff game and you would have been happier hosting and getting beat in the WC rd? I don't think there is any chance we win 4 playoff games(ROAD) w/ either of those 2 overrated QBs that have fooled fans to believe they are much better than they are b/c of good fantasy #s. Peyton threw 33 total in 4 years at UT, 28 as a rookie. There's no reason to even bring up college #s.
None of what you typed negates the fact that Rivers>>Sanchez, Romo>>Sanchez. So if we had either guy we would have a BETTER chance to win. I'm not comparing team stats I'm talking about player to player. Romo and Rivers are MUCH BETTER QB's than Sanchez.
If I want to win a fantasy championship I take Rivers or Romo, if I want to win games in January I take Sanchez. If Sanchez had the weak divisions and extra talent those 2 had to work with his #s would be much better and he would have won much more.
Would you really take the Mark Sanchez that played at the end of 2012 into the playoffs if you really had a chance, junc? I would take 2010 Sanchez over many QBs. I would bury 2012 Sanchez, because he wasn't the same person. Be honest with me, junc. You are smarter and more objective than the thing that Hobbes has become. We know each other, in a relative sense. Don't compromise your opinions because someone that agrees with you gives you support.
At some point you have enough information to determine with pretty good certainty whether someone is a reasonable person or not. Personally I find it unproductive trying to reason with or understand someone who I've realized is unreasonable. Maybe this is obvious, but I thought it could help some people.
