Adam Gase Thread (Merged)

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  1. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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  3. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    Read any article about the Jets misuse of Bell and it will explain why this is on Gase. Pittsburgh lined Bell up at WR regularly. I think the lowest percentage of snaps he lined up at WR was around 12-15... the Jets lined up him at WR 8% of the snaps this year. That's just bad coaching and bad playcalling.

    Edit: Those numbers are from an article late in the season where one of the NY papers interview Todd Haley about the misuse of Bell.
     
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    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Right. And of course it ignores the fact that he was our best pass protector and there wasn't a tightend on the roster that could hold a block. Trevon Wesco got ragdolled several times when we tried to use him that way.

    It was easy to line Bell up at wide receiver in Pittsburgh and create a mismatch when Antonio Brown was in the slot commanding double coverage with a 2x SB winning quarterback orchestrating the offense behind a top 5 offensive line.

    Go back and watch some games and watch all of the attention that Bell got whenever he would leak it. He didn't look explosive, but he was also the entire key for the defense at all times. He had the luxury of not being the focus in Pittsburgh. A luxury he doesn't have here.

    Could we have lined him up at receiver some more. Yeah. But I mean you prove your own point with the percentages. It wasn't some agregious misuse. He missed a game and finished 11th in carries and 6th in runningback receptions.

    Beyond fucking him down the throat with the ball, he got plenty of use. Do you think 30 more touches would've made him somehow more effective on the 300 touches he sucked getting?
     
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    "“People try to make football harder than what it is. You get the most talent you can, you put them on the roster and you coach them up and you hope they get better. When they get better and they become a tight-knit unit then you go out and win games. It’s that simple.”

    The bold is where I think Gase fails. He does't seem to coach players up. Instead, he designs his plays in a vacuum and expects his players to adapt to him. When they don't or resist, he puts them in the doghouse until he can get rid of them. Then amazingly, with a HC that CAN coach players up and adapt their systems to the player's strengths, the players thrive. Unless he's given a roster of Pro Bowlers, he's not going to succeed, and even then, he'll succeed less than good coaches would.

     
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    "Jones-Drew, who is friends with Bell and shares the same agent..." sounds like there would be some insider knowledge. Did you miss that line?
     
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    I don't consider what you are saying "coaching players up". I think that is more adjust to and game planning for players. What GWilliams did last year was coaching players up. He had nobodies that played like seasoned vets. He got the most out of nothing. What I think Gase needs to learn to do is play to the strength of his players. Plan for them. But I still don't think you can 100% push that without upgrading the team.

    I think Gase will fail for the above mentioned reason and other, but until he has a solid offensive unit I can't say for sure. Basically if I come to your job and give you half of what you need to succeed, but then for the other half I give you trash. You won't succeed. But if I give you everything then it's on you to make it happen.
     
  8. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Show me the line where something is being discussed that hasn't been discussed a thousand times, prick.
     
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    First off, it’s just a football message board. We’ll all be ok.

    Second, if something is discussed a thousand times don’t you think there’s a reason for it and you shouldn’t just write it off because it doesn’t jive with your opinion?
     
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    Reported.
     
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    For calling you a prick? Are you 12? There are obvious reason why no one who posts here likes you. I'm just not sure why you keep coming back.

    Yes. There's a lot of reasons that will come out of a players camp when they have one of the worst statistical runningback seasons in NFL history. I've heard Gase say he needs to use Bell better. I haven't heard Bell say how he can improve himself while I've heard a lot of reasons as to why he struggled. None of which have anything to do with personal accountability.
     
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    Bell was getting 25, 30 touches a game. Considering he was getting 2 yards per carry he wouldn't get that many touches anywhere else. He should be thanking Gase. '

    Not sure what his agent's end game is here but it doesn't sound like a smart one. Call in a favor to get Jones-Drew to stoke the flames so Bell gets traded. Cool, he will end up a complementary piece getting a couple carries a game and playing out the string. Like LeSean McCoy in Kansas City or something
     
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    Lucky Bell, getting 25 touches a game directly into the heart of every D line we played and barely lining up at WR which is what made him the elite weapon he was before Gase got ahold of him.

    Again... maybe it’s talked about so often because it’s... GASP... true!
     
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    Well if you're being honest, you don't know what, if any, "personal accountability" Bell has accepted, you only know what is reported, and yet you're judging him. AFAIK, he hasn't bad-mouthed anyone or complained openly, so your judgment seems unfounded.
     
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    It's not really unfounded when he hasn't publicly said anything despite being interviewed a ton, but ok.
     
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    True. Maybe we should've send him on more end arounds or jet sweeps because he looked so fleet of foot this year.

    I'm still waiting for the answer to this unique way to use him that would've made the 300 touches he did get, magically more effective.

    Split him out an extra 5 snaps a game at receiver and he would've suddenly been bursting through the line for 5 yards a pop rather than falling right down at first contact at the LOS?
     
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    Yeah they weren’t opening up holes but Bell also wasn’t breaking any tackles
     
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    I love when everyone who blames the OL for Bell's misuse, completely ignores how we didn't line him up at WR.
    He rarely ran a route as a RB either, instead just caught dump offs well behind the LOS for losses.

    The same can be said about not using Montgomery more as a receiver.

    Taking it even a step further, not playing BOTH Bell and Montgomery occasionally at the same time instead of stubbornly sticking to 11 personnel all game was bad coaching.

    Gase has no idea how to properly utilize the talent he does have.
     
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    Yes. Because this is supposed to be a forum for adults to discuss issues, not for young adolescents to act like tough guys because their delicate feelings get hurt when someone disagrees with them. You are violating the terms of service here.

    For the record, you did not claim that there was nothing new reported, you said "It's not like this article has any insider knowledge." I simply quoted an excerpt from the article that indicates there is. Deal with it.

    Now, your mama just pulled up in her Prius so get in the back, put on your seatbelt and go home and do your homework. I suppose you'll also whine to her how I was bullying you so she'll give you extra hugs and maybe ice cream. Or you could just grow the hell up.
     

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