C'mon man! You're the one who accused me of not using stats and dismissing them, and now you do the same thing. I acknowledged that stats aren't the whole thing, and that everyone tends to use the ones that support their point and dismiss the ones that don't. But what in the post I linked to is false? I think it paints a pretty comprehensive picture of Gase and his use of RBs. As I predicted, you dismissed it.
Do all fanbases have to deal with this stupidity or just us? I mean there are players all over the NFL making the most out of their second chance and that’s been happening since FA began. Yet we have to keep hearing about Tannehill who Gase believed in. Tannehill is a Dolphins fuck up and has nothing to do with the Jets.
I wasn't referencing the link. I was referencing the previous statements in which you use Mark Twain's quote about statistics not mattering. But then you turn around and try to use statistics to prove your point. So which one is it?
Its not because of Tannehill. It’s Tannehill... and Parker... and Drake... and Williams... at some point it’s not just a wacky coincidence and the sooner everyone (especially the owner) realizes it, the better off we’ll be.
In that same sense Gase was. Dolphins fuck up and now Gase is a Jets fuck up. There isn't any signs that point to Gase being able to be a good HC. His stats are not any better than his first 3 years. The same problems are there. At no point has he "gotta better".
O'Brien has won his division. It took him time to get his QB. Gase started with one in both Miami and NYJ. He had to build an o line from scratch. Gase started with an o line in miami. He didn't fix it while it was breaking down the following year, in fact he didn't step in and help co as ch it up at all. O'Brien is coaching both sides of the ball (look at that Texans d today). Gase sticks his nose in his playbook and ignores most of the game, failing to even make adjustments on offense most of the season. There is a huge difference. O'Brien isn't great, but he is better than Gase.
I dunno. 1 losing season out of 6. Four trips to the postseason. Two trips past the first round. 3 division titles. Offenses that don’t finish in the top 5 yearly. should I keep going?
Parker couldn’t stay healthy, he stayed healthy this year...finally and produced. Big freaking whoop, it is zero reflection on Gase. The fact that you brought up Williams and Drake just shows how desperate you are. There is enough to get on Gase about during his first season with Jets without having to make beyond stupid correlations between Gase and some former players. If Darnold and whomever is at RB and WR don’t produce next year he will get fired and the Jets will start over again. I’m hoping they produce and couldn’t give a single fuck about any of his former players.
just because YOU don’t care that a handful of his former players are succeeding without him doesn’t mean it’s not a legit point.
You’re right that I don’t care. You are wrong that it’s a legit point. 1 out of 2 ain’t bad, especially considering your post history.
Parker missed 11 games due to injury since being draft in 2015. All during 2015 or 2017. Yet in 2018 Gase benched him, he was a healthy scratch and missed more... that's on Gase not knowing how to use him, not Parker. And Williams and Drake are just a relevant, that's 2 starting rbs that are either doing better without Gase or doing just as good on a worse team. Arizona has more holes that us honestly. But who is counting. Base's history at Chicago and Miami are just as relevant as his time in New York. He has never been a good coach aside from having Peyton call his plays for him and he shows no signs of getting better. If he shows any signs of changing it would be different. So far he is just a offensive bookworm with no signs of being a good coach.
AFC South doesnt have Tom Brady. Adam Gase traded up for Laremy Tunsil, so you have to give credit to Gase for attempting to build an offensive line. That team just couldnt stay healthy during his tenure. O'Brien doesnt coach both sides of the ball, Romeo Crennel coaches the defensive side of the ball. He gets paid close to 2M a year.
Well if you go back and re-read what I wrote, and what you THINK I wrote, you'll see that I'm not being inconsistent. Statistics are a "necessary evil", we just have to try and be as honest as we can in using them. I do m best to that end. But you're just focused on negating anything I say, and I'm not going to satisfy you anyway.
So O’Brien has a 20 times more impressive resume than Gase solely based on the division he coaches in? Oooook...
I wish I could have my head this far in the sand, I really do. It probably makes being a Jet fan so much easier.
Gase did that in his first year. He also had Pouncey and Brandon Alberts that year. Afterwards he did nothing to the o line. Which lost both the other 2 pieces. He wasn't protecting Tannehill, also he didn't draft any good WR weapons for Tannehill either.... Gieski came in his last yeah but was used more for blocking than catching even tho he was a top rated pass catching tightend. If you watch O'Brien on the side line he isn't just watching offense then sitting on the bench drawing x's and o's. He pays attention to all 3 phases. He talk with his coordinators. He does head coach things... Gase does not.
We agree, I also wish you had you head so far in the sand as the board would be so much better without the constant whining over mindless meaningless correlations.
