Maybe it's because after "tolerating" three 5-11 teams, and then being told what an offensive genius and QB whisperer Gase was, some of us don't have any more tolerance left after we had to watch this team struggle again, while Gase showed the same things he did in Miami. If you've got more patience for this franchise that can't seem to figure things out, good for you.
More fuel for the Fire Gase Fire: Really nothing that we haven't already discussed ad nauseum here, but it's notable when the usually "wait and see" sports writers start giving stories like this legs in a HC's first year. But if you're for retaining Gase, then this won't change your mind, and if you're for firing Gase it won't provide any new reasons. "Enjoy" https://nypost.com/2020/01/12/ryan-tannehills-run-is-causing-more-adam-gase-grumbling/
Where’s the objectivity though,Dave? It’s ok to pounce on Gase when his former QB who was only healthy for 23 games Btw throws for 88 stinking yards in a playoff game but the Jets talent level/excessive injuries/finishing the season strong are just “excuses” & petty rationalization?! It’s one sided & extremely bias.
He did score 3 TDs: two passing TDs, rushing TD and no INTs or fumbles. Against top 5 defense on the road in play-offs. Sure, they relied on rushing attack again, but this was a good game by Tannehill with 110 QB passing rating. And another play-off W. Certainly not something to laugh at. Heck, even former Jets player noticed this as well: https://nypost.com/2020/01/12/ryan-tannehills-run-is-causing-more-adam-gase-grumbling/ My point here is very simple: Ryan is a very good QB. This point I don't think can be intelligently debated - not now. I do realize Ryan only averaged 12 games in two seasons for Gase (missed one competently with injury), but he played only 12 games this year too and offense was good, he was good. Before Gase got him he had decent numbers for two season, including 93 rating, with Gase he also had good 93 rating. Yet offense as a whole under Gase even with this good QB was one of the worst in the league for both of these seasons. It was also one of the worst in the League when Ryan was injured. It was THE worst in the League with Jets. It was bottom 5 worse in the League even during 6-2 winning stretch. We are talking about last 4 years now of poor offensive output, even with a good QB for two years. Gase is not even willing to change OC or line coach, who clearly failed, much like Gase himself this year. Why are Gase apologists here not concerned - this is a pretty troubling multi year trend?
I freely admit to being biased, much due to the comment I made that you responded to - I'm fed up. I'm not inclined to give any leeway to an experienced HC who shows the same patterns he had before. But how am I an more biased than those who defend Gase? We're all guilty of cherrypicking the facts and examples we use to support our POV. As for "one sided", I believe I'm one of the few posters here who regularly acknowledges other's POVs and admits when I'm wrong, or maybe not 100% right. I don't call that "one sided". But here's where my problem with Gase is. I understand the Jets had an unusually high number of injuries, and Sam getting mono,missing three games plus probably not being 100% in the first game and maybe not being 100% all season because of it, had a significant impact. And the OL was a disaster for most of the season. These certainly impacted Gase's ability to coach. That said, I think he didn't do everything a good HC would've done to mitigate all that. I'm not saying they should've made the playoffs, but they could have especially given the cake schedule. But I didn't see Gase making an effective adjustments until late in the season when he made some. I saw head-scratching play calling - seeing successful drives and plays and then not seeing them go back to what worked; misusing Bell; not using Powell, Montgomery and Bell more often; using Bell as a receiver more. I saw a "HC" that not only focused ONLY on the offense, but sequestered himself on the sideline during the game, head buried in his playbook and not paying attention to the game and the dynamic of it so that he might get a feel for the adjustments he needed to make. In short, what I saw was independent of injuries and talent level. Look, there are some people who are smart, and know the nuts and bolts of their job better than most, but they can't manage others. IMO Gase is one of those guys. At best, he might be a very OC, although from what I've seen from him I'm not sure about that. Maybe his ceiling is really QB Coach. My biggest concern is that he can be just good enough to fool the Johnsons into retaining him - as Bowles and Rex did - and yet never be good enough to get them to the SB.
If you want to use the ten game sample from this past season to try to prove your point on Tannehill then go ahead. But to try to use those playoff games where he was 15 for 29 with 160 yards is an extremely sad grasp.
I think some of the criticisms are fair at times. But don't forget that Bell finished tied 38th in the NFL in receptions, and 7th for runningbacks. Le'Veon Bell touches: 311 Games: 15 Now we can take a look back at the season and say realistically Derrick Henry was the best player in the AFC, right? Derrick Henry touches: 327 Games: 15 Nick Chubb touches: 334 Games: 16 Aaron Jones touches: 285 Games: 16 Ezekiel Elliott touches: 355 Games: 16 Is it fair to say that Bell had plenty of chances? And that runningbacks cannot completely rely on scheme to make plays? Get the ball in the hands of your playmakers and let them make a play. He didn't do that very well this year. A lot of it was the offensive line and how atrocious they were. But let's not act like we didn't feed him the ball all year long with the same nullified results.
What an intellectually dishonest statement. Yes, everyone understands this was a rush heavy attack, but you ignored 3 TDs against 1 INT, 0 fumbles lost, 1 rushing TD. Passing overall good for respectable 88 rating, especially considering he was playing on the road twice against #1 and #4 defense in NFL. And he got two Ws in two play-off starts. But what makes it even more disingenuous is that I just mentioned 5 years of Ryan's performance to show he was a good overall QB, not these play-offs. Seriously, get intellectually honest - you are out of your depth here in this whole Gase apologist narrative. Just admit things don't look good with Gase over last 4 years, we are all very concerned, and are just hoping he can somehow improve in the 5th.
How is it dishonest? Don't forget that he fumbled twice, both in critical spots but luckily they were able to recover. He was decent without Gase. He was better with Gase. And he was even better in ten games this year when he played alongside the leagues best runningback. But the playoff games do not at all help your case. He was asked to make two throws that mattered. He hit a wide open receiver for a touchdown and he hit a receiver on an out on the sidelines to seal the Patriots game. He did nothing more, nothing less. He played the Sanchez don't fuck it up role the past two weeks. Any other argument than that is a grasp. I'm sorry that not every situation fits your argument. It doesn't mean you can round peg square hole it to make it work for what you think.
R THill goes 7/14 88 yds 2tds and 1 rushing.. Sam D went 18/32 200+ yds 2 yds, 1 int... Both vs Ravens. I'm not saying one performed better then the other bcuz at the end of the day Titans won and Jets lost. However on offense, when we take the QB out of the equation and focus on the other parts of the team, that is where we lose/fail. The titans are superior on every level of offense, minus Crowder (maybe), and a case can be made at TE. The RB, Oline, WRs are all better on the titans. So if the personnel is Gase fault then blame him. THill performed well during the year but his #s in playoffs are Sanchize like if not worse. THill in regular season looked sharp, can some of those things be attributed Gase? How did Marriota do with the same coaching staff and offense? So it's not like the Titans teach/coach well. What I realize is simple. When we like someone we make excuses for them, and when we dislike someone we make accusations on them.
Bell was overused bcuz of his contract, and Gase knew he had to feed Bell to justify his contract. This is the reason why Gase and Bellichek even,vdont like RBs with egos and big contracts. This way you can swap them at any given time. I do think Bell can be successful with the rt moves on the oline. It was very frustrating to see him run with this oline. When Powell would run everything just looked better.
I'm assuming when you mean Sanchize like, you are talking about his career as a whole and not his post season numbers? For all his many faults, Sanchez was very good in the post season.
Bringing up Tannehill as a negative against Gase is one of the most insane things I’ve seen on this board in all my years here, which says a lot considering all the dumb shit that is said on here on a daily basis. Nice of Derrick Henry to carry Tannehill on his back to the AFCCG though.
This is an example of Mark Twain's take on statistics comes in: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damnable lies, and statistics". Taken by themselves, your point seems valid. But it's not HOW MANY TIMES he touched the ball, it's the how the plays were designed. Moreover, given how awful the OL was for most of the season, and given Bell's proven ability as a receiver, why not use him more as that? Yeah, "We needed him to be a blocker because the OL was so bad". How about finding someone else to put back there to block? Why take one of the best offensive weapons you have out of the equation? Then there's the reported item that Gase didn't want Bell, coupled with the issues had with some of his RBs in Miami. There's a lot of reason to believe Gase just mishandled the offense in general, and Bell in particular.
At some point you need your playmakers to make plays. If you want to stick with your firm belief that Bell's lack of production this year is solely the way he was used then that's your perogative. But do you really think lining him up as a receiver 25-30 more times throughout the season would've increased his production that much more? What about the other 250 touches? Issues with some other runningbacks in Miami? Maybe the below will shed some light on the Jay Ajayi issues. Ajayi, the one year wonder who did nothing after being traded.
In looking to find stats to support my claim, I came across this post in a fantasy football forum. It's lengthy so I won't cut and paste the entire thing here, but here's thee link: https://forum.dynastyleaguefootball.com/viewtopic.php?t=187555 This guy - using traditional stats and some fantasy stats - says pretty much what I'm talking about. i think it's pretty objective, but like all statistical arguments, you can choose the ones that best make your case. Still, they're something more measurable than simple opinion. I doubt it will persuade you at all, but I do think it illustrates what I'm saying.
But it's not just based on statistics. You make a claim and then you use statistics as supporting evidence. It's easy to dismiss stats when they disprove your own argument.
