It's a good point. It's not like going 0-16 got the Lions or Browns heading in the right direction soon after.
Manning didn't call the plays at the LOS. He called Gase's plays at the LOS. That's what Manning was talking about. He loved the plays and game plan Gase gave him to pick from. Gase was the OC and created the plays and game plan to start with. Manning did a great job of having a feel for the D and picking and choosing the correct plays. I don't think Manning just walked into the huddle and said "OK...You guys go deep, rest of you look for the ball. On Omaha" <Sent from my car parked in front of neighbors with unsecured WIFI>
I liked it for this bringing back memories from all the stupid shit we used to reply with to people with tapatalk on. You're probably right on the play-calling but we don't want that kind of talk around here. <Sent from my rocking chair in front of a roaring log fire, as my eyes begin to close>
Darnold. Top QB prospect in a deep QB draft pool. The guy people on this board were hoping we'd go 0-16 for....
I don't think so. He wasn't the top prospect or he would have gone number 1 (not saying Mayfield was either but he was selected #1) I wanted the Jets supporting RB Barkley btw. Sure a lot of the board wanted Mayfield, plenty liked Rosen and others Sam but also there was plenty of opposition, so that suggests there was no real generational QB prospect at all. Allen was derided by all bar one person and again only one sang the praises of Jackson. So out of that deep draft, we have Mayfield - underperforming Darnold - need I say it? Allen - over-performing beyond the expectations of many people Rosen - Rich kid, never fancied it at all - huge flop Jackson - MVP but having a harder 3rd year. Oddly two more QB's drafted that year are or were on the Jets books in White and Falk
During the year, there were many on here with the Suck for Sam, tank, and all that nonsense, similar to this year. As if one player miraculously turns around an incompetent franchise, with nothing else changing around him. That's the deja vu, and here we are again. Btw, I really liked Allen, so it wasn't just one person. But Darnold was the 'safest' choice imo and widely considered the top prospect out of 5 first rounders. With coaching and personnel decisions this atrocious though, I'm confident none of them would have succeeded here. A LOT will have to change in order for Lawrence to succeed here as well, if we even get him. As of this moment we are a historically bad football team.
LOL yup. Remember how pissed TGG was when Bowls won meaningless game to ruin our 'suck for sam' campaign? and ur right, here we go again!
Matthew Stafford who you could win with if they had a better team and the Browns had the Baker, Darnold, Allen Rosen, Lamar option.
Every situation is different. Both the Lions and the Browns had clueless GMs and were even more dysfunctional than the Jets. If the Jets can't be headed in the right direction with Lawrence and a new HC hopefully chosen by Douglas, then they ought to just fold this franchise.
Yup...picking 6th it looked like we'd miss out on Sam Darnold, the consensus #1 overall at the time. Then Mac traded two #2's with the Colts to move up to #3. Even then, we doubted it would be enough to get Sam. Then, when the Browns picked Mayfield #1, all eyes were on the G-men. Eli was on his last legs and many thought they'd grab Sam. Instead, they gave Manning one more shot with the top RB Sequon Barkley. And the rest is history! I remember how elated TGG was when we got Sam. But it wasn't 100%, as a few wanted Rosen (really bad) and one or two liked Allen. Don't recall ANY tgg calling for Lamar Jackson (or Mahomes the year before!). There was a talking head that wasn't overly impressed with Sam (can't recall his name)....who compared Sam to 'a cow on ice', which I though was funny as hell at the time. This might be the only guy who got it right! I watched Justin Fields earlier today and I'm watching Trevor Lawrence as I type this....(lol he just tossed on INT into the endzone...ooops!)
I'm going to disagree here, although I do agree with the overall point you are making and have said much the same. Sam was never the consensus #1. That would mean that there was no disagreement on here or in the media generally that he was the top QB prospect that year, or so few as to be negligible. That wasn't the case. He was the most regularly picked #1, but there was far from a consensus about it. There was however a consensus that it was a 'generational' draft class for QBs. The best since the 80s unquestionably. Opinions that now look quite foolish, which just goes to show how the unquestioned, generational media narratives can sometimes be totally wrong. And there was a definite undertone that Allen could have the highest ceiling of all the QBs (who knew that ceiling was going to look so low at this point). Jackson had at least one supporter and Mahomes had very vocal supporters the year before.
Adam Gase has never developed a QB....He called plays for Peyton Manning and Jay Cutler...Hes now the worst coach in NFL History...Chris Johnson will still find a way to defend this guy at 0-16.
Ya I'm sure you're right. I just didn't recall too much Lamar love on here. And Lamar's passing ability was pretty sad his first season. He struck gold in his 2nd, and now he seems to have come back down to earth a bit. Lamar and Josh Allen seem to be very similar type QBs (to me anyway). Both will suck ass in 2-3 more years.
Ya there's probably no such thing as a 100% consensus. But just like most every outlet's 'mock drafts' have Trevor going #1 this time, they had Sam going #1 back then. But I'm sure there were a few that had Baker or Allen or Rosen going 1st. The Baker boys got it right! Funny thing is 2018 was hailed as a mega draft for great QBs. 3 years in, none of them look generational. A few 'good ones', but that's about it.
