Good post. People seem to forget Uconn when they talk about the Big East's future. This is a team that blew out a ranked Iowa State team(on the road), a decent Wake Forest team(on the road) took a Phillip Rivers led NC State team down to the wire(on the road) and dominated a bowl game all within their first 5 years of being division I. They have an amazing new stadium, a coach w/ recruiting pipelines in PA, FL And NJ, and brand new facilities that many experts have labled the best in the country(yes in the COUNTRY). This is surely a program on the rise and has been touted so by many. You add that w/ Rutgers who is also slowly climbing the charts w/ some good recruiting classes, and USF who seems to land alot of in state talent, and you have 3 sleeping giants to go along w/ WV and Louisville, who in any given year are capable of 10 win seasons or better. Right now, the Big East is a very average conference. But all you naysayers might be surprised by what may develop within the next 5 years.
I neevr said Rutgets didn't deserve to win the game but those bad calls killed the Heels. Maybe they took away a FG from RU but I'll trdae that FG for the TD on their next drive.
junc, junc, junc. Rutgers had first and goal inside the 10. The way they were moving the ball all day a TD was a good bet, FG was a given. UNC didn't score that TD either, it was clear from every angle. You should be calling out your defense or your QB for getting picked twice, not the officials. That's what killed UNC.
RU dominated the game for the most part. Rice is going to have a hell of a season. And Brian Leonard didn't even see the ball much in this game.
It looked like he didn't but the ruling on the field was TD and there was not a conclusive angle to show otherwise. You could not tell where the nose of the ball was when his knee hit.
Another tough showing for the ACC last night, Maryland at West Virginia. Or should I say, #5 West Virginia. :grin:
again your best teams against our worst. I'll admit the BE looks better than I thought(the SU close loss the main reason) but the top ACC teams are still better than the top BE teams although if UL wins tomorrow then maybe I can't say that anymore?
I tip my hat to the BE. They have had an amzing transformation, the league stunk when UM and VT were in it and then they lose the only rea Code: l good programs they had(other programs had good years here and there but not the consistent success of UM and VT) and a year later they have 2 big time teams and a solid middle while the ACC expanded for the sole purpose of strengthening football(hurting basketball a bit along the way) and the conf is now weaker than it was pre expansion. We'll see what happens in basketball season.
Louisville didn't just beat Miami, they dominated them. Better coaching, better players where it counted, better everything. Looks like Miami moved to the ACC, got their payday, then shut it down, whereas Lousiville got the move up to the Big East and has taken full advantage of every bonus they were given. UL could have done that same thing to any team in the ACC more likely than not.
I don't know where others stand, since I haven't read through this thread yet, but clearly the best of the Big East is a touchdown or more better than the best of the ACC. Comparing the two, in the middle and bottom of the divisions, the ACC is clearly stronger. Doesn't look like it's going to change anytime soon. Steve Slaton is just a man.
Big East 4 ACC 2... ACC Wins Wake Forest 24 UCONN 13 Wake 20 Syracuse 10 Big East Wins WVU 45 Maryland 24 Louisville 31 Miami 7 Rutgers 21 UNV 16 Pitt 38 UVA 13 Next week: VT v. Cin
What I bolded is something I would say is unfair. From 1991-2003 the Big East had four tiers. 1. Miami 2. VPI, Syracuse, WVU 3. Boston College, Pitt 4. Rutgers, Temple Miami was 72-11 in Big East games. Virginia Tech 57-26 Syracuse 58-31 West Virginia 52-37-1 Boston College 41-44-2 Pittsburgh 35-51 Rutgers Temple (I didn't bother spending time to calculate their awful records.)
Syracuse was a top tam when Va Tech was emerging and when Miami was down after probation but they always got smacked around in bowl games. They were not a big time team, WVU seems to have a big time team every few years but not consistentlym since around '95-current Va tech has been a top program.
The Big East really mad a transformation. Everyteam except Cincy and Cuse has taken full advantage of the conference to build their programs, and it looks like the 4 tiers of the old conference are back in order now and everything is back to pre-raid standards, maybe a little better. 1. WVU, UL 2. Rutgers (Wow, but yea they really are good, you Jet fans should hop on this bandwagon), Pitt 3. UConn, USF 4. Cuse (lookin to jump into the 3rd tier in a few years), Cincy The ACC meanwhile has been absolutely embarrassed this OOC year. UVA, UNC, NC State, Duke have been complete jokes and are playing on par with the middle tier of the MAC. FSU and Miami have underachieved MAJORLY. BC despite the record needed OT and lucky breaks to slip by CMU and BYU. It seems the only teams that I dont have a bone to pick is with VTech, and Wake, and GTech to an extent, but the jury is still out on them.
