Aaron Hernandez, dont drop the soap

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  1. Royal Tee

    Royal Tee Girls juss wanna have fun
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    While you are correct, it seems you are interpreting this to justify a predisposition you have towards Ray..
    Ray Lewis was being charged because he refused to cooperate, iow, Rat out his friends/Drop Dime/Snitch. So they charged him just as if he committed the crime.
    Rather that doing that, he then "Cooperated" because in reality he was not one of the murderers.

    But I understand, there are so many people who hate Ray Lewis that they come up with these conclusions in their mind to justify the dislike of a person.

    While I don't know if this is why you feel this way, it kinda comes across that way in your post.

    People seem to do this with Ray Lewis, Michael Jackson, Obama just to name a few....
    They'd rather believe something that feeds their disdain rather than look at what's factually in front of them.


     
  2. Biggs

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    My point about Lewis is not that I hate Ray Lewis although it's clear he was involved at the very least in obstruction of a murder (Complete scum sucker), more telling is the Ravens stood by him when he was charged with murder and took a plea to obstruction.

    Based on the code of conduct that's being applied now Ray Lewis should have never played another game in the NFL. Hernandez while looking guilty isn't actually guilty (at least legally) yet. He may well plea down to obstruction or manslaughter or be acquitted outright at trial. A suspension pending outcome would be the best way for this to be dealt with. The Pats organization by firing him have already expressed their belief that Hernandez is guilty when at the very least he deserves a fair hearing with a neutral jury who can exam the evidence and determine his guilt or innocence without prejudice.

    The Pats knew what they were getting when they drafted Hernandez that's why they got him in the 4th round. The least the organization can do is provide him some aid and comfort before the prison doors shut on him permanently. His firing was all about protecting the Pats business interests. A person in trouble who worked for them has no value to them anymore. The Ravens at the very least sent a message to the players that they stand by their players no matter what.

    This is simply another example of the outright lack of class by the organization. Protect the organization at all costs, same reason the tapes were destroyed.
     
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  3. Don

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    Not true. He was charged because he was involved otherwise the white suit he was wearing that night wouldn't have disappeared off the face of the earth forever. He was in the car along with everbody else.
     
  4. DemoIsland

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    Lets just clear something up, which may be obvious to some of us - but is clearly not obvious to everyone. Yes the State has charged him with First Degree Murder. Does this mean he is guilty? No. Is he guilty in the eye of the public? Well that is a whole different story. People are very quick to judge and very quick to assume that an arrest and charge means you are guilty.

    How strong is the case the State has presented? No idea. We know very little thus far. IMO it is going to be a tough case to win based on what we know right now. I do not see a jury convicting a person based on assumption. More information will be known as time passes, but, the prosecution is going to have to find a lot more than just a piece of bubble gum wrapper and a shell casing. A.H will just sit quietly now that he is lawyer-ed up.
     
  5. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    You don't think that is all they have, do you? All they needed to do yesterday was present a broad outline in order to keep him in jail. Personally I think they said way more than even necessary. Do you not find it strange that his two buds have not been arrested? You know the two that appear on the same security system videos that he does. DAs have a habit of not charging someone unless they are sure they can convict them on that charge. It doesn't always happen that way but that's what they think when they do it.
     
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    This is actually not true. DA's typically over-charge. And they do so fairly regularly. That's why I made the comment last night that I think they over-charged by going for murder 1. Assuming they have more evidence, Murder 2 should have been pretty straight-forward to prove, and even if Hernandez agreed to plead guilty to a lower sentence, he was still going to prison for 10+ years. With murder 1, unless they have a lot more than they are showing (and what has been leaked to the media so far), if I was Hernandez's lawyer, I would go to trial, because I do not see how you get murder 1 in this case at this point. And if that is the case, the DA is simply getting him on the gun charges.
     
  7. Don

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    Again, you don't see it because you (and I) have no idea what they have. I also think the fact that the defense wants no leaks is because they already know what the DA has.
     
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    The tapes were destroyed by the NFL, which was the entity that had the most at stake based on what they showed.

    The fact that they were destroyed did not bail out the Pats at all. That fact is the reason that I am convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the Pats did indeed cheat their way to three championships. It's a permanent scar on their record as an organization and it is telling that they have not been able to win a championship since their "method" was outed.
     
  9. JetsVilma28

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    Why do the Pats always destroy the tapes?

    #Patriotsway
     
  10. PolygamyWinsChampionships

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    How Execute Snitch - by Aaron Hernandez

    1. Film self preparing for execution.
    2. Bring witnesses to execution.
    3. Let victim text that he's about to be executed.
    4. Bring victim approximately one mile from home.
    5. Execute victim.
    6. Leave evidence next to executed victim and in mode of transportation to location of execution.
    7. Film self holding murder weapon minutes after execution.
    8. Break some cameras.
    9. ???
     
  12. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    lol - added some details

     
  13. JetBlue

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    The evidence the prosecution claims to have is not assumption, and if true is enough to convict him. Minimizing evidence as circumstantial is a defense tactic, but circumstantial evidence is strong and credible evidence, especially when it is so abundant.

    I am assuming you are claiming it is assumption just because it is circumstantial, but that isnt true or the honest manner to describe the evidence. The defense has a reason to dishonestly attempt to misrepresnt circumstantial evidence to minimize it, but nobody else does and a reasonable person would see right through it.
     
  14. Don

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    I'll go out on a limb and make a prediction. This little county doesn't want to spend millions to try this case and Hernandez doesn't want to spend the rest of his life in jail. He is only 23 and will end up copping a plea that will get him 30 years with no chance of parole. He will still be relatively young when he gets out at 53.
     
  15. Kingfish

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    The prosecutor referred to "confederates" in his presentation.

    I have suspected all along that the two other guys with Hernandez ratted him out and I don't blame them. I wouldn't go to prison to protect a punk like Hernandez. I would cut a deal with the cops.
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  16. tank75

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    im very curious what world you think we live in where a murder 1 charge is just too much hassle for a da to prosecute?
     
  17. Falco21

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    Like I originally thought, this case has more than circumstantial evidence.

    1. Text messages from Hernandez to his 2 friends to hurry down to his house from another state.
    3. Video of Hernandez leaving with handgun to pick up Loyd.
    2. Video of Hernandez with 2 friends buying bubble gum and rolling paper at gas station on way to pick up Loyd.
    3. Text messages from Loyd to sister saying he is with Hernandez "just so you know".
    4. Surveillance video showed the car entering the industrial park and at 3:23 a.m. driving down a gravel road near where Lloyd's body was found. Four minutes later, McCauley said, the car emerges. During that period, employees working an overnight shift nearby heard several gunshots, McCauley said.
    5. Hernandez's bubble gum found in rental car with casings from gun.
    6. Video surveillance showed him pacing through his house after murder with gun saying "you can't trust anyone anymore".

    I think he's fucked LOL
     
  18. tank75

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    [YOUTUBE]X5vbitx12s0[/YOUTUBE]

    go to about 45 seconds in... haha
     
  19. tank75

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    if they only had number 4, it would be circumstantial, but that is basically a rough outline of the entire night, minus the conversations in the car and moments of death...
     

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