IF Woody were to fire Glenn, I’d have a big NO to Morris…I didn’t think he was very good his first tenure, then the Falcons gave him a second shot…and he’s been very mediocre. Hard Pass. I would definitely talk to Stefanski, and I’d call Kingsbury and Kubrick and McCarthy as well…that would be my first round of interviews…the selling point is all those picks…and the sales pitch is “go build your team”…choose your QB, use these picks, and mold a team in your image. I think it’s a fine selling point.
Let’s all ruminate on the fact Woody paid a GM he previously fired to find this moron of a coach, and then handed this coach 60m.
To stop hijacking the Tankathon thread I have put my response to your message in here. The Fields contract isn't awful. If they Post-June 1st him (which I'm expecting they will), we save 10M on the cap and only have a 13M dead cap hit. Not ideal but not the end of the world. His total guarantees (30M) is 27th among QBs. I know 30M seems like a large number and outside of NFL context it obviously is but when we're talking about NFL QB money, it's not that bad. The Fields call didn't work out but I think most of us expected that going into this year, but he was also one of the very few options left that seemed to have some small amount of upside or potential. There's a couple distinctions I want to point out with those extensions you mentioned, both were to young, ascending players in Sauce and GW. They also structured both in a way that didn't totally nuke their dead cap number if they were to be traded. It's a smart move by a GM. Extend your young stars that you hope will be key contributors but also ensure you have flexibility to move on from them if the right opportunity presents itself, which it obviously did with Sauce. I fully believe Sauce is still a Jet if the Colts didn't offer up 2 1's. You just can't pass that up as a GM. Also, on the "He then literally said we want to win now.." part, that's just coach speak. No NFL HC is going to go to the media and say, "we're a terrible team", "we'll be lucky to win 4-5 games", etc. Of course he wants to win right now, every person in the NFL wants to win right now but it was always going to be an uphill battle for them to do so this year.
To be honest, I think Stefanski's ouster has a direct line to not starting or giving Sanders a shot earlier. It was pretty well reported he didn't like that pick. If Sanders isn't in the equation I think he's still there. Having said that, if Glenn hasn't been fired by now (unless Woody was super drunk after that season ending blowout) I suspect that, yet again, he's going to be a year behind vs. a year ahead. JSMH.
yes Stefanski should've been fired for that. The waiting on Sanders is one thing, fine, obviously it was a mistake to think Dillion Gabriel was a better option, but I can at least see a coach making that decision. But once Sanders became inevitable they were almost sabotaging the kid out of spite or something. Any coach who does that should be fired.
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Disastrous season, no two ways about it, but he's not getting fired. You don't sign off in trading your two best defensive players in a year where you're already throwing a dart and not expecting to win many games (how do people still fall for coach speak?) if you're not already accepting the most logical outcome. Everyone wants the Jets to tank until we tank and then the guy who did it needs to be fired. You don't start a rookie practice squad QB with no WR1, hold out his TE1, sign dudes off other practice squads and start them at CB/S because you either shut down actual guys or they're hurt, and then expect to win games. Why anyone would even expect them to look competent is beyond me. I'm sure the Michael Nania color-coded charts have a lot of people upset but I need to know what coach would lose by less than 2 scores with the gaggle of turds we trotted out there week after week. And that's not to excuse the whole season, not at all. The defense was returning a lot of key guys and they were horrendous. That's on Glenn for his choice of DC. He flat out said this wasn't his system, he let Wilks do his thing... it was a conscious decision to choose that system and style so that’s on him. Now we need 5-6 new starters on defense (Briggs, AZ, JJ, WMD, Stephens, Moore are the only locked in guys IMO). The offense is what it was. They threw a dart with Fields, it didn’t work out. They tried to make him a pocket passer – a plan I was absolutely a fan of – and it failed because the player sucks. Getting on Glenn/Mougs for the money is pointless, we can move on from that very easily and still have 9 figures worth of cap space. In terms of the rest of the offense… I think there’s at least reason for guarded optimism. Tape was very kind to Engstrand, execution was not. A lot of it was personnel-related which you have to hope coaching (or just replacing guys) can fix. The Fields thing is not even close to an indictment on this team’s talent evaluation skills. When you look at the 7-man draft class, we got 5 guys who can play (AZ, Taylor, Moore, Membou, Mauigoa), 4 of which will be starters (AZ, Taylor, Moore, Membou) 1 of which is already playing at a pro bowl level (Membou). Arian Smith was a terrible pick the day it was made and trading up for Baron is still baffling. When you look at the pro scouting we did… Briggs for a bag of balls, Brownlee for a bag of balls, Ruckert is a guy they kept around and he went from cuttable to extended, Stephens was bad in Baltimore and is above average here. There’s legitimate reason to feel good about the talent acquisition facet of this team, of which Glenn is heavily involved. The leash should be extremely short next year, not gonna pretend otherwise. But that’s also not a reason to pass on a QB if they are there. And for two guys who KNOW they are gonna be on the hot seat, I don’t see any way in which they go to ownership and say “just wait til 2027, we’ll get our guy then”. Basically: accept what’s happening and hope for the best. And bitch along the way if you must.
You've said more comprehensively and more elegantly what I was trying to say earlier in the thread. Thank you! Get ready to be told you don't know what you're talking about.
This is spot on. I'd go as far as to say it's fake outrage for media conversation. If you're upset about everything that occurred from September to December, that is fair. But these last few weeks(Specifically all the blowouts) Take a screenshot of the depth chart of starters who played yesterday- I can assure you the majority won't be on the opening day roster in 2026. And this isn't a post to support Glenn. However, I genuinely don't think Sean McVay is winning with Brady Cook at QB.
There's a reason I haven't bothered even visiting this site the last two weeks let alone reading and conversing. Pointless. Hopefully the offseason is interesting enough that the convo can be productive again.
depth chart was brutal this month. The last two weeks, on defense especially, they had guys out there I never even heard of. Someone named Keidron Smith lead the team in tackles yesterday. Samuel Womack got 97% of the snaps at corner. (I think he's a corner?), and then I saw some guy number 69 "Page" on the field trying to rush the passer Who in the fuck are these guys? Its like that movie Major League, they are just grabbing dudes off the street
I don't have an issue with Fields contract at all. It's not bad for a starting QB with some potential, but the bottom line here it is still a decent chunk you pay for a guy who looked OK a year before and has some upside. Let's put it this way, he was a borderline starter/good back-up, and at the very least you expect him to be that here. This is not unreasonable expectation. Plus we had Tyrod as a good back-up. So, when we say, Glenn had no QB, we were supposed to have one at least a bottom tier starter/top back-up. And Brady played at the end ONLY BECAUSE we failed with Fields and Tyrod, let's not change that fact. As far as wanting to win now, context is important. It wasn't that someone asked, and he said yes we are trying to win. Glenn brought this up himself. See below. He also specifically reached out to Q to say this was not a rebuild. And traded Sauce and Q AFTER we went 0-7. I don't know, KY, it seems pretty clear he wanted to win this year, and thought he would, but failed in spectacular and historically bad fashion. I just think we have to call it like it is.
Ha.... I didn't watch yesterday. (chose to watch locally televised games, that had playoff spots at stake, instead of finding a hacker stream to watch another beatdown) But seeing the score, I was like wtf. My brother in NY called, and when I asked "Dude is it really THAT BAD that they're getting smoked by Mitch Trubisky?!?"..... "Ha, it's mostly 3rd stringers, and dudes Ive never heard of" I checked the box score and confirmed.... Seemed like a tank job to me (and no, this isn't saying Glenn did a good job)
for the 10000 time.... Do you really expect a coach to say "These guys suck, we're going to lose!" ?!?
Yesterday looked like a video game where players didn't sign off on EA Sports using their image or likeness so they had to create players in their place.
Buffalo's backup tight end Dawson Knox is an average player, not fast or elusive in anyway. Kind of a big bumbling TE. On the first drive he was SO wide open down the sideline that there wasn't a Jets player on the TV screen. tanking if I've ever seen it. That doesn't happen if you aren't tanking. I don't care if you are relying on future camp invite Keidron Smith to make a play. They weren't scheming to win the game either
No surprise there. Even SB Champions get fired when they have a season like that. Unless it's Woody and the Jets. No wonder a guy like Moore is encouraged to the Raiders but not the Jets (according McShea).
