Aaron Brooks out 2-4 weeks

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  1. Raiderjoe

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    NAh - I was on vacation for two weeks . (a real vacation and not some self imposed exile from Raiders struggles) and finally had a chance to reboot my computer .(major crash right before i went on vacation)There is no shame in having the fifth ranked defense in all of football. (defense wins championships) Its not about win and losses right now, its all about getting andrew Walter ready for 2007.(Yes I thought Raiders would win eight games this year- Yes not looking very good right now in that prediction)

    Just have to wait and see with A Walter whether this season was a sucess or a failure. IF A Walter finishes up strong the second half and established himself as the undeniable starter for 2007 than the season will be considered a sucess - no matter what the record ends up being. IF walter proves not to be Raiders QB for 2007,than 2006 will be a failure. Because it was a wasted year and they still need to find a Qb to develop.(spinning in Mud)
    here the point. Pennington not taking Jets to any championships.(especially with that porous defense) Is it better to win a few more games
    or to see if you have your future QB that going to lead you to a championship. Yes you should be happy being 4-3 but who have you exactly beaten at this point and what does it do for you longterm. Nothing.
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  2. Cakes

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    Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhttttttttt.

    You were gone for 23 days.

    Amazing you managed to make it back home the night after a win over the Cardinals.
     
  3. MisterMoss

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    What does the Jets being 4-3 have anything to do with the Raiders?
     
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    As always, you are correct. The Jets would have been much better off going 0-16.
     
  5. Raiderjoe

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    Hey enjoy being 4-3. Laugh it up ,but your more delusional than me, if you think Jets are any good. Miami, Lions and Bills OH MY. Again Pennington not taken jets to any championships and you can win eight games, what is that doing for your longterm development. You missed a chance to find out if Clemens is the longterm answer, as you have to take a step back when he eventualy replaces Pennington.

    IF Walter develops this season and proves hes raiders 2007 starter and beyond. Is that a better situation than winning a couple more games with a
    Veteran QB(Pennington),that you can't win a championship with.
    This will be apparent when jets face a real defense- Like raiders last game of season.
     
  6. MisterMoss

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    Can I get a good reason why Andrew Walker is more capable of leading the Raiders to a SB than Chad Pennington is.

    The Raiders and Jets both were in similar situations with similar prospects entering the year, and the Jets have exceeded the expectations, and the Raiders have actually fallen below those low expectations. I don't quite see the source of confusion here.

    And of course, a 4-3 team is much better off losing their last 9 games to get a top 5 draft pick. That makes a ton of sense.
     
  7. MisterMoss

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    You know it took Penny forever to overcome Vinny's presense here. How did that turn out as far as his development?

    Before you make fun of the Jets opponents, at least they win those games. On the other hand, the Browns and 49ers games, we'll just forget how those ended up for your team, OK?

    The Raiders defense? I'm not sure the Browns are quite done scoring on your defense yet. Back to the game.
     
  8. Cakes

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    Football coaches are not in the business of losing games to find out about backup quarterbacks.
     
  9. Sundayjack

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    Things are so bad for your Oakland loons these days, Jeauxseph, that I don't need to do much aside from merely point out that the Jets are where I thought they COULD be, and the Raiders are where I KNEW the WOULD be.

    I will take a brief moment to draw your attention (again) to the flaw in your stat logic. The stat that you cite as evidence of the "top five defense" is easier to understand if you look at them as part of all other defensive statistics.

    Your Raiders defense has the fewest passing attempts against them and the longest defensive time of possession of all 32 teams. They are in the middle of the pack for scoring against, and their record is hopeless. So, lets put all that information into the abacus and see what it tells us, shall we?

    It tells us that teams are starting with decent field position (because your yards against are decent), and then running the ball (because passing attemps are low). And running the ball (because time of possession is high). And running the ball some more (because it's working so well). And then they are SCORING at the end of their drives (because scoring against is in the bottom third of the league). All of which, of course, is leading to loss upon loss, upon empty Art Shell stare, upon empty stadium, upon Jay Leno joke, upon Sundayjerk post.

    Circle of life. . . .
     
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    YEa there a big diffrence being 1-5 and 0-6.(in the scheme of things) I could see if Raiders ran off five game winning streak and were five and five. (under that scenario ,you might have a point)
    Really don't care what you believe or don't believe. Just facts when you go with a first year QB, usually your going to go through growing pains(unless you name BIG Ben) . Yes My prediction of raiders easily winning eight game is not looking good right now. Defense has been good as I believe it would be, but offense has just made too many mistakes.
     
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  12. Cakes

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    It never looked good.
     
  13. Raiderjoe

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    couple counterpoints. When you defense on the field for more minutes/ more plays, you would think you would naturally give up more yards . (your logic a little off) look up teams with high time of possessin on field on defense and it should bear out my point)

    Now you look at Raiders plus minus turnover ratio. You would see how many times the offense has turned over the ball. 5 turnovers against the Cardinals and Leinart threw the ball how many times against raiders defense for no sucess. Boldin and leinart who looked so effective against bears defense, couldn't do jack against Raiders secondary or defense for that matter.
    Fact is teams aren't going to take chance against Raiders talented secondary as they been contempt to wait for raiders offense to make a mistake.
    Raiders defense has kept them in every game. Raiders offense has made alot of costly mistakes even when they have moved the football) Not unexpected as they are starting basically a rookie QB.
    Raiders defense is very very good and would be even betterwith some minor changes of personal.

    When jets play the Raiders, don't expect to see your offense having any sucess. Its a bad matchup for Chadwick. Raiders defense is that good and only going to get better.
     
  14. Raiderjoe

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    Again we will wait to end of season and see where raiders are at. Six games is much too early(five with Young QB) Its not unexpected that Raiders offense has struggled some early. Lets see how QB plays down the stretch. With defense raiders have, if offense picks it up in second half, it won't be a suprise if they rip off a big winning streak.(they can come pretty close to that eight games)
     
  15. Cakes

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    It's time.












    Time for Beavis.




























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    I told you many months ago that the Jets will beat the Raiders on December 31.

    Forget coming close to eight wins. Be happy with four.
     
  16. Sundayjack

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    No no. I took into account your turnover ratio and pointed out that teams are (quoting myself) "starting with decent field position." That would necessarily HAVE to be true; otherwise, the yards against would certainly be much higher. And, proof further is that teams are scoring at the end of these short (but time consuming) drives, as evidenced by the 23rd ranking in scoring against. Teams don't need t pass to beat the Raiders, but when they do, your completion percentage (which is middle of the pack) tells us that teams are doing it with a fair amount of success.

    But lets go off the page for a moment. I've SEEN your defense. More than once. My first thought was how all your first round defensive back draft choices look so unimpressive. Better than the Jets defensive backs, but we don't have three recent first round picks. What also seems clear is that your DBs need every bit of their size, because your front seven gets trampled (which, by-the-by, is exactly what I SAID would happen this year).
     
  17. Jetzz

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    :rofl: :rofl:

    That has to be the funniest thing I have read today. Welcome back Jeaux. Good to know someone gave the all-clear signal to the many black & silver fans hunkering down in the bunker.


    :rofl: :rofl: No, now this has to be the funniest thing I have heard today.

    In case you have forgotten, the Raiders are giving up 22.5 points a game on average. The only team you have beaten is 1-6 themselves. I would wager to say that the defense is right up there with the offense in giving away games. In fact I'm willing to state they are competing in who can give it away faster.

    The Jets are nothing to write home about, but you don't see any of us in here proclaiming they are SB bound. They are a rebuilding team that is overachieving at the moment. We all know that. As for Pennington, the only thing we have to wait and see on is his health. He's at best about 6th-9th best QB in the league. He stays healthy and he remains the franchise. I'll take my chances with Penny injured over Walter on his best day ever.
     
  18. NJRaider

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    Do I think they're the 5th best defense in the league? No. Are they vastly better than last year? Yes. But you doth protest a bit too much, sir. I'm sorry but it's not completely some kind of "parlour trick" when you're ranked fifth. They're doing some things right. They might even give the Jet juggernaut a hard time on December 31st since the Jet D can't seem to slow anybody down and the Raider D is built to deal pretty well with Penny and the passing game.

    By the way,:

    Loss upon loss: Fair enough.

    Empty Art shell stare: Dumb sterotype and not real funny.

    Empty Stadium: Every game has sold out. Next week against Pittsburgh is sold out. They haven't had one blackout. The place was packed and rocking yesterday.

    Jay Leno joke: He hasn't been funny in 10 years anyway.

    Sundayjack post: I expect nothing less sir.

    Joe or Jack, you can make stats say anything you want. And don't let facts get in the way of your opinion!
     
  19. plinko

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    hahahahahhahahaha....who knew someone was keeping count.
     
  20. Sundayjack

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    But, were I a Raider fan, that would be what might be upsetting me most. Wasn't Art hired to kick some asses into shape? Wasn't he, along with Jackie Slater, going to immediately fix that offensive line? (for starters)
    Are they giving tickets away these days? That's not a joke, that's a genuine question. I know that the stadium authority has bled so badly in its deal with Al that I would bet four dollars they're giving two tickets away with each purchase of a Bay Area fish taco.

    The latest news rumblings are that Crazy Al sold a portion of his interest to a Los Angeles group, and that he's replenshed his retainer and is limbering up his legal team for a move BACK to the L.A. area.
    Fair enough.
    Ah yes. But my main point - and it still stands - is that the one stat that nfldotcom uses to rank "total defense" is yards per game, and that is the single most deceptive stat of any, when it comes to the 2006 Raiders.
     
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