God you people are pathetic..you just don't get it...the Jets don't give one flying fuck about building a team for 5 years down the road...they want to win now and that has been the motto for the last 4 or 5 years..whenever it was the first signed Faneca...Sanchez is shit and they will cast him aside in a second if it means they get get somebody better if even for one year..it may not be Manning and it may be too. They would give up the entire team to get that one additional trophy and THEN start over.
Win now sometimes work, but building a team and take shots every year also works. Look at the Giants, they have NEVER been the dominate team in the NFL. Their super bowl runs are always just taking a below average team and making the plays when it matters. The difference between the Jets and Giants is 4 things. Bills missing a FG, Favre throwing a stupid pick, Tyrees catch that should have never happened, and now yesterdy Williams 2 blunders. The Giants have been fortunate that their opponents have handed them Super Bowls and might have just handed them another one yesterday.
I don't disagree with you, but let me clarify my point. Pool and VD are like canaries in the coal mine. They are indications of Tanny's management of the roster, albeit they are different situations. VD is an indicator because he was a crap pick who has gone nowhere and wastes a roster spot, with the only apparent reason he's still there is becuase Tanny made a big mistake on him in the first place, but that cutting him is not going to happen because it would look like an admission of failure to do so. Which it would be. But it would also still be the right move. Pool is different. His situation is an indicator because back in 10 we knew the Jets got inadequate play from Safety, made much worse when Leonhard went down. So, with Leonhard coming back from a very bad injury, what did Tanny do? Basically nothing other than get Pool to come back for less money. In other words he didn't fix the situation at all. Safety has been weak since Rhodes left. I like Leonhard as a player, but he has obvious weaknesses. I think too many here are unfair with Smith. But Pool is totally mediocre, and bringing him back last year was hardly, hardly the answer to the problems at safety. He's an indication of how Tanny does not manage the roster well, and my suspicion is Tanny thought that bringing Pool back at a more favorable number somehow solved the Jets' problems at safety. It did not.
You think Sanchez sucks, but you sound like you're bashing the club when you say they'd get rid of him for the chance at something better. So what's your point? What are you basing the argument on? Braylon? He wanted big money and then got in legal trouble. Mangold, Brick, Harris, Revis, Cromartie are all locked up through 2014. That's our core. We thought Holmes would be part of that core too, he's locked up another 4 years. The rest, right now, are puzzle pieces and answers we haven't found yet. What did we ever give up, opportunity cost-wise, in our desperate aging FA attempts? A couple draft picks. Favre cost us cutting Pennington, whoop de do. Tomlinson was cheap. Plaxico was a cheap one year investment that wasn't great, wasn't terrible. We could possibly get Manning, but it wouldn't cost us any parts of our core, except possibly getting rid of Sanchez. Besides, you think he sucks.
Mantana, I guess I do sort of disgree on another point, now that i read your post again. I agree that the holes are fillable if you will, but the problem with trading up is that the Jets have so many holes to fill right now trading away a pick eliminates one "hole filler" by making that trade. I don't think the cap will permit the Jets to go FA for too many positions this year, either, so that's not a realistic option for more than a couple of positions.
My point? I don't have a point. I am just stating the obvious. The Jets have thrown away draft picks to get people like Edwards, Holmes, Faneca and the like. They have thrown away draft picks to get Gholsten, Sanchez and Wilson. They threw away picks to get Favre...they really don't give a shit about the future and only an idiot couldn't see that. Any deal they think will get them a trophy next year they will do. UNFORTUNATELY, we have a GM who doesn't know the difference between a Right Tackle, a Right Fielder and a Right Winger...so don't expect that philosophy to necessarily work.
Yeah, VD was a bad pick in which the team continues to try and claim "upside" I don't think Pool was ever considered an "answer." Pool was depth. He was paid like a role player, not a difference maker. Eric Smith makes more money for some reason. Hunter is a better example of what you're getting at. He was expected to be an answer for Ducasse's lack of development and Woody retiring. He played poorly. Also consider that this was an abridged mayhem offseason. The lockout limited the Jets options in the draft, and once it was over, it was a mad scramble to fill the team out. The team chose to put money certain directions (Harris, Cromartie, both earned their checks) and we hurt ourselves a little bit by going nearly all-in on Asomugha and coming up short. This offseason we have more time and more money. I'll remain semi-hopeful.
The '86 Giants were truly a dominant team. They went 14-2. They lost the 2 games by a combined 8 points total. In two NFC playoff games, they gave up a combined 3 points to get to the SB where they proceeded to blow out the Broncos. Never been the dominant team? Where do you get this stuff?
You can't use failed draft picks to say a team doesn't care about the future :rofl: Oh Don... Don, Don Don. Faneca was a free agent who didn't cost any players or picks. Holmes cost a 4th round pick. Braylon? Fine, a third, a fifth, and Stuckey. Stuckey caught 4 passes this year. Braylon was our best WR while he was here, and paid for himself. We did not trade up for Gholston or Wilson. Gholston was only a "thrown away pick" because he sucks. Wilson is progressing just fine, by the way.
I agree with your point about Hunter, but I do think the Jets will do something with RT this off season, in fact will be very surprised if they don't. Which is why I didn't mention him. Hunter may still be on the roster, though. But as the starter at RT? Chances of that are between slim and none, imo. I will try and clarify one more time about Pool. My point was that the Jets' only move this past off season at Safety was regarding Pool, and that was more an indication of Tanny being happy about the money side of what happened with Pool than about any real effort or measure to upgrade Safety. Pool in fact was not the answer to the problems at Safety. Clearly. Not to digress but part of the problem seems to have been that Smith was hampered by a nagging injury, and the official word out of Jetland is that the injury to Leonhard this year was not relate to and not forseeable from his prior year's injury, which I have a bit of skepticism about. Am I being unfair, then, to say that the first guy off the bench was not the answer? Maybe if Pool was decent, but imo he sucks. He can't tackle for anything, and is often poorly positioned to make plays. He tries to make up for it with his speed, him being the fastest safety, but it doesn't really make up for it. Maybe if Tanny had not unloaded draft picks to trade up, they might have drafted someone who would have been developing to be a better safety than Pool was. Maybe Lowery should have been kept around to play safety. The point is Tanny is the GM and is primarily responsible for the roster. And the roster for the past two years at Safety has had major issues, and Pool has not helped with them. If Pool is still on this team next year, it will tell you something alright.
Watching the games yesterday I realized that if we had two solid safeties to go along with our cover corners this defense would be damn near elite. It does not even have to be two great ones, but two who are athletic enough to make some damn plays. Also, if we can get them and draft a pash rusher this defense would be top 3. To defend the Patriots you need both cover corners and safeties and linebackers who are fast enough to defend them. This year the Patriots innovated their offense. I will be damn shocked if Rex doesn't create some crazy scheme that will be able to confuse the hell out of Brady.
Win now? Yeah, how's that working out? This past season should clue you people in that this IS NOT a "win now" team. There are far too many holes on this team to win now. If you think a Peyton Manning who took a whole season off, after a huge neck surgery is the answer and we are going to win a super bowl, you're more fucking delusional than I first thought. YOU'RE the pathetic one. And IF they do pull the trigger on Peyton, and he comes here and either suffers a career ending hit (which could be likely) or he doesn't win a playoff game, or chokes in one, and this team is set back several years, you'll see.
I understand your point about Pool, I just don't think it's presented particularly well. Re-signing Pool wasn't necessarily saying "we are good enough at safety," it was saying, "he is a decent player at this price point" I just find it odd that your beef is with the backup and not with either of the below average starters. Pool was the only FA, but it's not like Leonhard or Smith were drowning in guaranteed money. The team was probably under the impression that a healthy Leonhard would be enough of an addition. Didn't work out that way. I doubt the same mistake is made again. Who was out there? Dawan Landry and Donte Whitner were the only 2 significant safeties to sign somewhere new as FAs. Yes, either would have helped, but we can't always get the best option everywhere. The only way we'll be "told something" if Pool is back, is if no one ELSE is brought in.
How did we throw away picks to get any of those players? Wilson is coming on so I dont see why he is even in that list (and was not a high 1st rounder). Gholston was a pure bust and Sanchez is not great but no-one can predict with 100% certainty how these things are going to pan out. Neither was a crazy reach nor did we do a Julio Jones and trade away the farm for 1 player.
I did not say fire him, I was responding to the thread title, it's in the future format," A year from now where do we see the Jets? This is where I see the Jets, not what I want to see happen, but based on what happened this year and many of Rex's glaring faults as a HC, IMO if he does not adjust, I posted the possible consequences.:wink:
My apologies then...I see "fire rex" posts 5 times a thread, so it's getting hard to tell the difference.
You forgot the dropped INT by Asante Samuel You are right about this. Jet fans must get on the same page
