Considering Tannenbaum broke into the league as a cap specialist under Parcells, I doubt he ever makes a move without considering what it'll do for the team down the road. Then again, you'd think all GMs use that mode of operation. Regardless, Tannenbaum knows how to handle the fuckin salary cap. This is something opposing fans don't seem to understand. We acquired Kris Jenkins, Alan Faneca and Calvin Pace in 2008 and opposers said "oh well they'll be fucked in three years". Then we got Cro and Holmes and it was "they won't be able to resign them, they're all-in for one year". They're back, and we're not in cap hell. Fuckin' retards. Now it's "we're not built for the long haul". Duely noted, we'll check back in a couple and see where we're at.
ive heard pats fans say 'the jets will be in cap hell in a couple of years' for the past 5 fucking years. give it a rest. it isnt happening.
Players receiving their second contract are never going to be asked to take something commensurate with a rookie. Rookies get less $$ because they haven't proven what they can do. Players receiving their second contract are getting paid what they have shown they are worth. In the scenario you mentioned, the way it would be looked at is that Cam Newton would be underpaid (as a rookie) and will later get a contract representative of his actual worth. Also, your post was about the Jets being built for success in the long haul. I think it is fair that I assume Sanchez will continue to be successful , and even improve, for this to be true. Therefore the fact that he hasn't won a superbowl or made a pro-bowl isn't entirely relevant. I said IF HE IMPROVES ON HIS SUCCESS, he may be looking for a bigger contract. To all the other responses, I am not saying that the Jets can't continue to be successful in the long term because of finances, etc. I was just pointing out that it is more complicated than "we have young players at nearly every position". I can definitely understand the Jets being one of the "favorites" to be a very successful team over the next 5 years compared to the rest of the league. If I need to respond more directly: I don't think that the Jets' window is this year, or even the next two years.
yep, thanks the funny thing is I said throw out the past for a reason. The Jets are a completely different entity under Rex/Tanny regime. you want to give me credit for being level headed and then make the last two years of ours sound like dumb luck? were loaded with young talent. how we retool spots with vets moving forward will determine if we maintain or excel from our current level. for all the dominance you refer to over the last ten years they have been relatively flat in the playoffs as of recent date. so should i point to the last two years to disregard the previous 8? it would make more sense since you have had the same HC the entire time. but even then i would be wrong. which is why your point about our window of opportunity closing isnt really all that solid IMO Rex isnt catching lightning in a bottle, Rex inherited a great OL, David Harris, and Darelle Revis. everything after that has his and Tannenbaum's fingerprints all over it. its pretty hard to improve over the roster we had last year. that was last years version of the eagles this yr. the victory in our offseason was retaining the core group of those guys (Holmes,Cro, LT *to teach our young stable of RB's*) and our role players at S (Smith, Poole) something else that is still an underrated move was us locking up both Brick/Mangold/Harris/Revis our "core 4" the only thing that puts the sustainability of our success in jeopardy will be if Sanchez takes the next step within this yr or the next. and if that doesnt happen I dont see Tanny or Rex hedging their whole career on someone just cause they like him as a person. meanwhile our biggest needs are LB'er (an eventual replacement for Scott and a pass rusher) and WR. which i have the utmost faith will be adressed next offseason, until then as long as our old stop gaps stay healthy i dont see much of a dropoff. in fact i see Mason and Burress instantly improving our red zone offense, easily one of our biggest weaknesses. and one of the reasons we missed out on the SB last yr. Rex will always field a top tier defense, i dont think anyone can question that. we have IMO the best all around OL in the NFL, Slauson is good enough to start and will probably excel after a year under his belt. and with our aggressiveness in FA any holes on the rest of the right side of the line will be adressed if need be. a capable RB stable of Greene, McKnight, and Powell for long term moving forward is promising too. so like i said, find a cple capable LB'ers and a young WR and you wouldnt even be posing that our window is closing. at least not if your being objective, instead of wishful thinking now that were actually starting to give the pats a run for their money.
I guess I am going after you K................Nah just quoting you because you are making some real good points tonight. Yeah these Pats fans are really going to have to do a better job of explaining how the Jets "window of opportunity" is closing, while almost all of their star players are no older than 27. All the older players are either place holders, ancillary pieces or Sione Pouha (replacement maybe on roster), Bart Scott and Moore. I am not adding Pace or Thomas because both are replaceable. It makes no sense to say the Jets window is closing, in fact I would go so far to say that off all negatives I hear about the Jets this theory is the biggest crock of shit. It's way worse than the theories I hear down here, like the Jets got lucky, they didn't improve and got worse than last year, no pass rush, too gimmicky, Sanchez sucks, yada yada yada.............
I don't know what league you play in. But the 5th round is early for defenses. Meaning people are jumping to get the Jets. I've been playing FF for years and usually good D's go in the 6th. Also I wouldn't draft Sanchez for fantasy football anyway. He manages a run first offense and passes little over 35 yards per pass. But that is not indicative of him sucking.
Could be one of thousands of JETS fans who flood into the Dolphins stadium every year and turn it into a neutral site or Jets home game (depending on how bad the fins suck that year)
Your welcome. What you said in a few lines sums up an entire 23 page thread that has probably run on too long in its current format. The Pats are the team to beat and the Jets are the team with the best possibility to to do it. Perfect.....And if you switched it around and said the Jets are the team to beat and the Pats are the team who can do it, then I wouldn't argue. Its just shades of the same basic opinion. AND now like a lemming to a cliff, I will continue this thread with some comments on your post. Which, btw isn't about the Jets THIS year I said nothing of the sort. Its my belief that the Jets are a product of a "win it now" philosophy that started 3 years ago. It's anything but dumb luck. It was a predetermined plan that has succeeded....to a point. The Jets are now relative in the NYC market. The Jets have had 3 winning seasons in a row (when was the last time THAT happened), and are likely to have a 4th. That being said it, the recent Jets relative success comes with a price. While other teams added this off season, the Jets were forced to try and maintain what they had...and still had some losses No question you have talent on the team, but you make it seem like its all young and every young player you have is a budding superstar without showing it on the field. I get it. The Jets won last season. Congratulations. Get over it. Its a new season. Yes he did inherit a great offensive line and 40% of it is GONE. And those 2 players have YET to prove that they are even as good as those they replaced, let alone improvements Well you didn't improve on a roster that won 11 games last season IF that was the goal, then for the most part your FO succeeded....but at what cost. You signed Holmes to a 50MM contract and set it up so it only costs you $2MM+ this year. EVENTUALLY that $10/MM per year hits the books. Its not about what his cap cost is THIS year. Its what it will be the next 2, and believe me it isn't going to be $2MM+ And he's just ONE example. You have a number of guys whose cap costs are going to significantly increase over the next few years And these are just SOME of the examples of guys whose cap numbers are going to increase. Revis' cap number is huge next season Well that goes without saying, But the ability to keep the level of talent around him to some degree requires cap space. You are going to lose at least 2 of your LBs to age and cap considerations next season and if all 3 go it shouldn't be a shock. That's a lot of turn over in an area of extreme importance You'd better hope no one gets hurt. That's what I'm talking about btw. Its not about the "starters" it about what happens WHEN they go down. The Jets have sacrificed depth at the bottom of their roster to sign "stars" at the top. I'm not saying its a bad decision, its just a different approach to the Pats, and one I don't thing is conducive to long term success You'd better hope so, so far so good as far as the defense goes. It was a good one his first season, and good again last season, but not as good as has his first. And while I believe the Jets will likely have a top 10 D THIS season, it won't be as good statistically than Last season's D Wait a minute. The Jets made only ONE significant move in FA this season and that was to replace a FA they lost. My whole point is that NEXT season with the expanding cap numbers of their existing contracts, their ability to be aggressive in FA will be severely hampered. There WON'T be that $11MM miracle in the future What in that RB group can POSSIBLY make you feel comfortable. Greene, for all his "flashes" has YET to prove he is capable of being a guy who can carry the load as the principal RB over the course of an entire season. McNight was only active for a single game last season, and Powell is a rookie who hasn't shown much this preseason. It seems like your entire premise is that EVERY one of your young players will all work out and become instant upgrades over the players you lost. They may EVENTUALLY do that, but there is an equal chance that they MAY NOT. You make it seem that the latter isn't even a possibility
i respect your posts but we simply will not agree on anything. your counting on everything to blow up in the jets faces. and it wont. i never said it was easy, but Thomas and Pace arent that amazing, thats not a newsflash to you. they can be replaced. Scott is amazing but his role is to attack OL someone in that mold can be found, whether or not theyd be as effective is something we have to find out 2 yrs from now. as far as our RB's go Greene shouldnt be asked to carry the team. he should see the bulk of carries but by no means is this a one back offense. you think thats what we want because belicheck has been searching for a legit back to make Brady even more of a threat. (your offense was scarriest to me when Dillon was here and Maroney had a cple good seasons) but hes managed to get by plugging in guys who each do one thing well. Greene's style is too physical to last at a 300+ carry rate. furthermore McKnight has all the potential in the world. i have as much reason to feel good about him as the Pats fans do about your young RB's. and Powell, i watched a decent chunk of his career at Louisville. im not just talking out of my ass. this guy is good enough to steal carries from everyone except Greene. having LT will get in his way though. have you ever heard of familiarity? weve retained guys who only spent a year here. its not like there contributions PEAK after 1 year. Holmes and Cro will both be better than they were last year. that alone is addition. meanwhile you assume all of the additions made by other teams will pan out thus making the jets roster inferior by lack of adding new guys. for someone who makes great points you manage to word things to make your arguments seem absolute, when they are not. as far as OL goes. Slauson is by far a better pass blocker than Faneca was here, and hes an above average run blocker. his pass blocking alone makes him an improvement over Faneca since we will definitely be throwing more than the previous two years. the only wild card on our OL is how we address the RT spot and if Wayne Hunter can look as good as he did at the back end of last year for 16 games this yr. this is why i prefaced everything i said with "the patriots are still the team to beat, and if anyone can do it, its the Jets" cause we can talk in circles all night but thats the only thing two fans of both teams can agree upon.
"That being said it, the recent Jets relative success comes with a price. While other teams added this off season, the Jets were forced to try and maintain what they had...and still had some losses" Hm. Losses. What does this really mean? Ellis. I think this is a loss, but how much of a loss it ends up being as the season progresses will depend on how well the new guys step up. I do think DL will be a mediocre unit as the season begins, so I grant that point. But we've already seen some very interesting play from the younger guys. It may not be so adverse as all that. Other than Ellis, I can't think of anybody leaving that is a real loss. Changes at wide receiver, assuming Plax stays healthy, seem if anything an upgrade, given that Cotch was frequently hurt last year. OL you have Slauson replacing an aging Faneca, but that was last year, and although I thought Slauson was the weakest starter on the Jets last year, he came along as the year progressed, and should be better. Ferguson and Mangold are reaching the peak performance years, and that leaves Woody leaving for Hunter. Btw Woody's leaving was not a cap deal, and you were talking about the cap, but even putting the cap aside I think Hunter will step up. After all he did so at the end of last year. On D, other than the DL, what loss would we be talking about? Jason Taylor? The point I think the Jets may have been questioned on was a concern I had two years ago. that being that it looked like the Jets were filling the roster with win now vets at the same time they were going to be depending on a learn as he went rookie Qb. And that did not lead to an SB win, of course, and did not last year, either. But a funny thing happened along the way. The Jets showed themselves to be winners. No more SOJ. Ryan attracts players willing to play for him for less. Players like LT agree to restructure. And most important the roster is certainly no less talented than it was two years ago. The key to the season this year ends up not being aging players on the roster in 09 now being gone. The key is not that there is (which there is not) some decline in the overall talent level. The key will be whether Sanchez in his third season can be good enough to take the team as far as a mid to top tier NFL starting Qb would be expected to take them. If he does, this team will be successful, perhaps more than the success of the last two seasons. If not, they won't be as successful. That really covers it, not some cap consideration particular to the Jets. I just don't see there being one.
the patriots feed off and have gotten by making older vets their staple players. only recently have they had any youth contribute on the defense (except when wilfork entered the league and obviously Mayo/McCourty) so they automatically assume when we lose vets its a HUGE loss.
