Most Heisman finalists in their sophomore year usually aren't..... Tell us again what he did that year? 5ff 2 taken for 6 the other way, 2pics, 1.5 sacks,71 tackles...and that's in 10 games, right? He's 5'9 a buck seventy five....not really a safety. Sorry Jim Leonhard. Playing in the nickel or the outside with Wilson sliding backdown against guys like Welker, and Cro on the other side, there's no reason to pay Mevi$ 15 mil a year. Rex can develop talent.and this guy clearly has it. Rex can't expand the Salary cap.
Rex has been here 4 years, how much TALENT has he developed? Wilkerson? Alright I'll give you him, but he was a #1 pick. Coples? Hmmm maybe, jury is still out but he was a #1 pick too. Who else? Anyone on offense? Nope. Special teams? Nope. Anyone else on defense? Nope.
Yea Rex can't find guys off the street and turn them into pro bowlers so he obviously sucks. :banghead:
Hobbes said that Rex can develop talent. I ask, where is all this TALENT that Rex developed? Maybe you can enlighten me?
Here's our draft picks. http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=3430&type=team A lack of talent on this team is not Rex's fault. We only had 7 draft picks total in his first two years combined! Most of the guys from the last 2/3 years are coming along fine.
How many draft picks we've had is irrelevant. Rex has been here 4 years, and in that time Hobbes has determined Rex can develop talent. Once again I ask, where is all this TALENT that Rex supposedly developed? I don't want to hear about potential or who made what picks. I want to know how was Hobbes able to make the determination that Rex can develop talent?
Its totally relevant! There hasnt been much to work with and then on top of that you want to throw the most successful examples out of the discussion. Wilk and Coples look like they will be studs but they don't count cuz they were first round picks? Get real. Those are the primary picks that you want to develop successfully. 4/7 guys from 2011 draft will be starters and 3 guys from last years will be next year already. And sorry, its wasnt Rex's job to develop Sanchez. He's done a good job with what he's had to work with.
Can we start with Jimmy Leonhard? Or Ihedighbo, that just got a ring...or half of Baltimores existing defense...or Lankster, so forth and so on. Those are all guys that weren't physically talented enough to become Heisman finalists in their sophomore year.....did you fail to grasp the salient point?
See above. Less physically talented guys. All starters. This kid has physical tools. Did you miss the point?
Mathieu is a pure play maker somebody that is always around the ball and when he has the ball in his hands he becomes a offensive weapon
Wilkerson,Coples,Wilson,and he has a pretty good habit of getting non players to be moderately decent at the 4/5 CB slots, and that's been with Zero pass rush.
Having a top 10 defense annually with a roster that isn't that talented is impressive. Do you remember Rex's first year when we had the best defense in the league? A revolving door at CB opposite Revis before we had Cro. Lito, Lowery, Coleman, Strickland. Lito and Lowery were awful and we still had the best defense in the league. Safeties Rhodes, Leonhard, and Smith? Leonhard is a nice blue collar guy, but none of those guys are special. Tell me where his Terrell Suggs type of pass rusher is. BT and Pace? Please, those guys are not even in the same stratosphere as Suggs. The most dominant defensive lineman Rex has had with the Jets was Kris Jenkins, who barely played in his two seasons under Rex due to two torn ACL's. Shaun Ellis was a good player but was already on the decline by the time Rex got here. The Jets defense is always a 10 to 12 win defense under Rex, and when you look at the guys he's had, it's pretty impressive. Aside from Revis, Cromartie, Landry, Bell, Harris, and Bart Scott in his younger days, Rex really hasn't had all that much to work with over his four years, yet the Jets defense always performs well for most of the season. His best pass rushers have been Thomas, Pace, and Jason Taylor. That's awful.
But that's irrelevant. Ryan failed coaching up the drafted kids. Regardless of how many he had in his hands. Ryan fails. That's the bottom line.
Revis, Cro, and Landry all had the best season of their careers under Rex. Wilkerson, Coples, and Ellis all progressing in right direction. unheralded guys like Pouha, Devito, Lankster, Leonhard have grown into key contributors with Rex. He did wonders in Balt with LB's, but we haven't had the best set of LB talent to work with in NY since he's here. If you want to talk about developing offensive talent, you'd have a better argument.
Again, FACTS DO NOT MATTER. Perception is reality. The perception is, Rex Ryan runs a circus, and he fails. End of discussion. Ok?
matheiu has had a bad showing at the combine so far. his stock is dropping like a stone. 4 reps of 225. hes running the 40 today. they are projecting mid to hig 4.5's, which is not good for a guy in his position. i was gung ho about taking a shot at him, but thats starting to change for me pretty quickly
I'm not usually one to judge based just on measureables but 4 reps is pretty terrible. There's kickers that exceed that. If he's strictly a returner that's not a big deal - but if he's going to be out there trying to make tackles as a CB that scares me. I'd look at him as a returner at this point. If the Jets can snag him real late (6 or 7) I'd take a shot.
