A clinic on destroying a QB

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  1. Clown

    Clown New Member

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    Good sportscenter / NFL network quote.
     
  2. zace

    zace Well-Known Member

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    ok I wont go into junc mode. They doo stack the box on 1st and 2nd most of the time. I think we can both agree on that. 3rd down we see a lot of zone coverage. Hence why 2 runs and a pass never work.
     
  3. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I hope you all realize we passed the ball at nearly a 60% clip in the rain today. I don't know how often you want us to pass with a second year QB, but the o-line needs to win some individual battles too.
     
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    Once again it comes down to Sanchez's subpar FOOTBALL IQ, he's not there mentally.
     
  5. 2insane

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    I think it is more about when to.
     
  6. Cynic

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    Sanchez never had much talent to begin with.

    Let's make a list on what he is good/not good at.

    Arm Strength: Average
    Accuracy: Below Average/Inconsistent
    Height: Below Average
    Mobility: Good
    Toughness: Pussy

    How was he a top 5 pick? What did they see in him? Please someone tell me.
     
  7. Brady_champ

    Brady_champ Banned

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    Yo man.

    On that very critical play latein the game that you took sanchez out (4th and 2 or 3?)...definitely made the wrong call. Should have went with a fake punt.

    Seriously, gimick teams never go anywhere. In the most important part of games like that one, you should have an identity. Either power run, PA, or trust your boy sanchize in shotgun.

    Stupid gimicky wildcat teams look good in spots, but are never consistent. Pisses me off even as a pats fan to see sanchez taken out on that play. Glad my coach doesn't do stupid crap like that...IMO destroys a QB's abillity to control a game
     
  8. Zach

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    I keep telling you guys. Schottenheimer is not giving Sanchez enough time to check off. The play is relayed to Sanchez around 15 seconds in general, (watch the game carefully. You can't miss this) and Sanchez breaks the huddle with 7-8 secs on the clock. You are not checking off jack shit with that kind of playclock on you.
     
  9. Zach

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    All in all, kudos to your team. Your team stay true to your color, and stick to your guns almost religiously.

    We all know Patriots are not a running team, yet we cannot stop them even when we know they are coming out firing on passes after passes. That's what I would like to call identity.

    Jets identity? 1st down stuff, 2nd down incompletion, 3rd down turnover or sack.
     
  10. LeonNYJ

    LeonNYJ Well-Known Member

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    I was just sitting there calling what the play was going to be. I'd be like, run up the middle. It'd happen. Throw to the outside. It'd happen, and it got picked off. It's so easy to figure out this team.
     
  11. BadgerOnLSD

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    I did the same thing today. "Brad Smith run to the left." I think we got 2 yards on that one.
     
  12. 34miami23

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    Sanchez didn't play as badly as the stats would indicate.

    He certainly had key drops by his main targets, the rain did no favors, and he was playing a pretty decent D. Say what you will, the 15 yard 3rd down scramble he had showed a true 'playmaker' potential that Henne doesn't have ...

    With that being said, you can tell things were off today because every sideline shot of him on the sideline looked to me like he was sulking or pouting. No real emotion from him and the usual enthusiasm he shows.

    Bottom line, he's pressing over the past few weeks, and today it was obvious to me he was playing scared. At this point in the season though, he's playing better than Henne.
     
  13. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    It seems like Sanchez could make more plays on his feet. Also, Why does he throw it to a receiver b4 the receiver turns around?
     
  14. NYJets28

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    That pass to Keller that bounced off of his shoulder was 18 or so yards downfield...how far are you going to run downfield before you look for the ball Dustin?
     
  15. JetsKickAss

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    I want short-slants, screens, dumpoffs, and short passes.

    If they box the safeties in to cut that stuff off.....then BE and SH should be in single-coverage and THEN you can throw deep and/or over the middle (deep).

    It's not rocket-science.
     
  16. NYJets28

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    If you remember, we had a successful short passing game under Schotty in 2006 but didn't have the respectable defense we have now. So, Schotty is capable of that type of gameplan but is too concerned with trying to get the ball to all of our "weapons" that he doesn't stick to the easy throws. Also, play-action pass on first down is a beautiful thing that he apparently doesn't buy into.

    Obviously Sanchez is a moody little bitch so get him some easy early completions (short-slants, screens, dumpoffs, and short passes) and he will start playing with a little swagger and watch out. I'm telling you...play-action passes on first down and a short controlled passing game and we will be the tits.
     
  17. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    To answer previous points first, I don't know if the staff wants him checking at the line. I was under the impression they didn't really want him to do it much. And while opponents don't stack the box every play, they do a significant amount of the time, and it's not hard to figure out that there's a good chance they do it again.

    I realize we passed the ball 60% of the time. When we can't run the ball, and we were trailing most of the game, it's a very sensible ratio.

    But here's the problem: IT'S SO PREDICTABLE!

    We had 21 3rd downs in this game. We threw on 20 out of 21 3rd downs this game.

    How about a draw on 3rd down every once in a while? I'm not saying do it every time, but more than once? The only time we ran was on a 3rd and 1 deep in our own territory early in the 4th quarter. That was a staple of last year's team. Do we EVER hand the ball off out of shotgun? Ever? And I'm talking with Sanchez, because I have seen us run the option with Brad Smith out of shotgun.

    Meanwhile, on 1st down, we ran 18 of the first 25 times (18/29 overall). On those 18 runs, we gained 46 yards (2.55 yards per carry). We did run for 2.8 ypc on the game, so we we sucked on 2nd down, too, to be fair.

    But the bottom line is, it's just too predictable. I'm so sick of out patterns and patterns where guys run 7 yards and stop. You see the Patriots, and their receivers are open a lot. Our guys are always covered closely. We have to scratch and claw for everything. I know a lot of that is Sanchez just isn't very good right now, but he's not put in good situations.

    We don't make any big plays, we can't string together long drives, and we're not good in the redzone. It's a nasty combination.
     
  18. MeanGreen1983

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    I do the same thing. I've been doing it for years now with Schotty, I'm so sick of this guy it's pathetic. I don't know what these other teams see in him for a HC position
     
  19. Acad23

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    If he's a head coach, he'll have an Offensive Coordinator on staff.

    Problem solved.
     
  20. Zach

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    There's a reason for that...

    Other than the first drive, I can barely recall where Sanchez had a manageable down and distance on 3rd down. One was the opening drive (3rd and 3) and the other was 3rd and 1 in the middle of 4th quarter. Other than that, it was almost exclusively 3rd and long. It's failing situation no matter what, but calling gimmicks in favor of passing play is not really a solution to the problem. The solution belongs to better play calls and executions on 1st and 2nd downs.

    If you consider the incompletes on 2nd downs (which compounds the problem) you will easily see 2nd down playcalls were much more horrendous than 1st down calls.

    One of the major difference is that, Patriots receivers are in the close proximity a lot early in the play development - that's because they set pick for each other. Playing tight man-to-man is like playing right into the offense's hand. (which I think is why Rex called a lot of zone coverages last week)

    In case of Jets offense, receivers are near each other at the end of the play. This is a no-no. This means one defender can cover two guys. This is what we see from Schotty's calls pretty often actually.
     

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