A bad Bleacher Report column predicts Jets with 30th ranked offense in 2012

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  1. GMCJETS

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    The Patriots have Tom Brady the Packers have Aaron Rogers Mark Sanchez doesnt compare to neither of them. Big diiference when comparing offenses and RBs. Those 2 guys are game changers.

    Greene is not an elusive RB he is a power back who takes on the hit and welcomes it. We need a solidified RB to tandem up with him or he may not last the season is all im saying. If Greene gets injured for any length of time are you ok with any of the backups on the roster taking over? McKnight had a career day against Buffalo and thats all we saw out of him. Others unproven.

    Our WRs are a bunch of what ifs including Holmes.
     
  2. dcm1602

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    Can we not call things from bleacher report articles?

    How about bleacher report blogs ?

    Because thats what they are.

    And they should all start with "Dear Diary"
     
  3. Bellows1

    Bellows1 Well-Known Member

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    Nothing to argue with here. I do think we improved the defense, so we may gain in both field position and # of opportunities on offense.
    Our ST's were also a let down last season (compared to normal), we had several muffed or fumbled returns.
    Not to lay all the blame on Shotty, but he screwed up a lot in critical situations last year.
     
  4. Mantana Soss

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    Do you understand that there's nothing solid about Cedric Benson?

    I don't care about totals. They let him pound the rock because a mediocre running game was better than a haphazard passing game.

    3.67 yards a carry the last 2 seasons. He's solid..ly mediocre. His tires were worn down before his first NFL snap. He's an old near-30. McKnight has speed and has bulked up. Ganaway has great size and plowed for 6.2YPC as part of Baylor's dynamic offense last year.

    At no position is pro experience less necessary than at running back. Every single season, multiple rookies step right in and perform.
     
  5. dcm1602

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    Without a doubt Benson is just flat out mediocrity, and isnt much of a 3rd down back. Greene is superior to him in every respect.

    But I also agree with the idea that if Greene gets hurt, this whole team is in SERIOUS trouble.

    McKnight cant be an every-down back (in my opinion) Powell's supposed strength is his pass blocking (which is incredibly valuable, but doesnt really do much for the ground and pound), and then it comes down to Ganaway.

    I absolutely love Ganaway and hope he can be our Blount, but to expect him to be able to do that right out the gate (if Greene goes down) is tough. Especially since hes sharing a lot of snaps with all the other guys now
     
  6. Jets83

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    I think we should roll with what we got and go after a RT seek another trade somewhere. BUT if we do go RB what about Ryan Grant?? I mean ahead of Benson?
     
  7. Mantana Soss

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    I disagree. Almost every yard Shonn Greene gained in 2011 was a direct product of good run blocking.

    As I've posted elsewhere, we were 10th best on the first level (0-3 yards), 4th best at not getting stuffed at the line, but then 28th best at second level running (3-10yds) and LAST in open field running. (Source: Football Outsiders 2012 Almanac)

    For the holes he's given, Shonn Greene needs to average 4.5YPC or better. I expect Joe McKnight to be near the same, with a slightly lower median and some longer runs bumping the average.

    Greene simply has no skill that isn't replaceable by a late draft pick back. Plus, whether we needed it or not, if Greene went down, Tebow would probably see 4-6 extra carries/wildcat snaps a game to lighten the load on the other guys.
     
  8. GMCJETS

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    Thank you great post.
     
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    I agree somewhat. Yes Greene was a product of our offensive line, but there were also few backs in the league who fumbled less than him (1 fumble on 250 + carries). Hes also a big boy and can take a pounding much better than someone like McKnight (imo)

    Its plausible that McKnight could avg 4.5 YPC, but I dont think he could handle 20 carries a game. I mean if were lucky McKnight would be more of a Leon/Sproles/Bush type back, not the guy you wanna pound it with all day.

    Last year Powell looked AWFUL when he was on the field. Id be shocked if he wasnt better this year, but again 3rd down back looks like his greatest strength. Id bet money against him being a feature back this year

    And Ganaway ive said my piece on, so who knows.

    I expect Tebow to get the 2nd most carries on this team regardless, but if Greene went down I would expect carries in our backfield to look something like this

    Tebow- 10 carries
    Ganaway - 10 carries
    McKnight - 7-10 carries
    Powell 5-8 carries

    That just seems really bizarre and unlikely to me, but who knows.

    Eitherway I think everyone can agree that if Greene goes down its gonna be VERY probable we add another back. Maybe the pushed back trade deadline could help in that regard
     
  10. fozzi58

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    One line in the entire article reveals how piss poor the reporting is. Moore, the most underrated linemen in the NFL, is a revolving door? Slaw was a 6th round pick who played injured last year. RT is the only problem with our line.

    Bleacher Report is the national enquirer of sports news.
     
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    Oh also we were 29th in YPC last year.

    So im not sure how much credit ill give our offensive line
     
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    Wait a second. We had the same RT last year, and ended up 8-8.

    We had the same 1 proven WR in SH.

    We had the same starting RB in SG.

    And Mark Sanchez had a terrible year? WTF are you smoking? He showed improvement until he got injured in the last 3 games. After all that, we were still 8-8, middle of the pack. We didn't have a deep threat last year. Now we do. We upgraded our safety position. We have a ton of player going in to their 2nd and 3rd year. Mark Sanchez will be much more improved and you'll see that.

    I hate darksiders!
     
  13. GMCJETS

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    The DEFENSE is definetly upgraded wont argue that the OFFENSE not so much.
     
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    So we upgraded our Defense. Maybe not as much on the offense. We lost an aging RB and an aging WR. So overall you are agreeing that we upgraded our team as a whole. Then why do you think Jets should be ranked 30th when they were 8-8 last year?
     
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    We should be ranked 16th because thats where we finished lol IM KIDDING! But id say anywhere between 19-25 for sure
     
  16. Mantana Soss

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    The most optimistic way to describe Sanchez's 2011 is to call him mediocre. To call him terrible might be more accurate.

    Touchdowns is the only area that appears positive, and I used stats like most total drives and 3rd best starting field position to temper that.

    The Jets passing game was bottom 5 in yards per drive & three and outs, near the bottom in passing yards per attempt, 21st in passing yards per game, 28th individually in completion percentage, 4th most interceptions, 1st in lost fumbles, so on and so forth.

    That to me, reads as terrible. By no means though does it imply he can't take significant steps forward in 2012.


    Excellent defense, solid special teams, and average rushing, and below average passing adds up to 8-8.
     
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    God forbid Greene goes down for any length of time. Who handles the workload? Id much rather be safe than sorry. What recent year was it we carried 4 QBs on the roster?
     
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    http://www.nfl.com/player/marksanchez/79858/profile
    http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/profile

    Look at Sanchez's last year #s vs Flaccos.

    Theyre virtually identical except sanchez has some more tds/ints

    Yet Flacco had RR, a more useful receiving/te corp, a better oline/ground game.

    And there are very few people who considered him to be terrible/mediocre last year.

    I think Sanchez was very reasonable with the cards dealt to him. An effed up receiving corp, an offensive line in SHAMBLES, and a mentally unstable offensive cordinator.
     
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    So some of you REALLY believe our offense this year is worse than last years? I know RT is still a question mark, but seriously look at what we have! We drafted and signed deep threat receivers that can block well and get down field, which was one of our biggest weaknesses last year. I think Ducasses steps it up and starts this year, unless that knee injury is bad. I guess we'll have to see. There's no way I see our offense rank lower this year. That's all doom & gloom nonsense. Are we really that much different than 2010 when we went 11-5? With an easier schedule this season will probably be much more similar to 2010 than last season, besides in the punting game. Sanchez threw 26 TDs last year. I see that stat easily improving along with turnovers as well. Sanchez would have to have a terrible season in order for that to happen.
     
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    Flacco is a mediocre quarterback and not a great player to compare to.

    The Ravens didn't have too hard a schedule, 9/16 games were against teams with a losing record at the time and two of their winning record opponents were the Bengals. Jets only got 6 games against sub-.500's, and one of them was the perpetually dangerous Eagles.

    Their receiving options were no better than ours, o-lines about equal. Yes, they had Rice, and the only defense in the AFC to outperform ours.

    The Baltimore offense was better in yards per drive, turnovers per drive, points per drive, despite inferior starting field position.

    While they were close, Flacco being better in completion %, YPA, TD/INT ratio all added up makes a difference.

    So slightly better defense, better running game, less interceptions, easier schedule yields 12-4 Ravens.
     

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