2008 and 2009 stand out as the worst to me considering that the picks were so high. It's safe to say the 2008-2010 drafts are the reason we are struggling so much. We should be depending on these players, but they just aren't there. Too early to say 2013 was bad, especially considering we got the best rookie in the draft. Sucks that Milliner is looking bad, but I'm definitely not calling him a bust either. PFF breaks down just how depressing these years were: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/04/11/draft-grader-new-york-jets-2/ I have no doubt that the next segment will be much better though.
This is so bad. Only person still here from those drafts are Kyle Wilson and Vlad who should be cut soon. Sad to say after those 3 drafts. Kyle Wilson May be the best one. Or Sanchez depending on who you ask. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
For whatever reason the Jets do a lot of projecting of players future ability based on facts that don't match the projections. Mark Sanchez projected to be a starting NFL QB off of one full season of NCAA play, albeit at a top program. Stephen Hill projected to be a starting NFL WR when he played as a blocker in a run-option scheme. Vladimir Ducasse projected to be a starting NFL tackle when he played for a third-tier program at UMass. Dewayne Robertson projected to be a star at defensive tackle when he played for a top-tier school at Kentucky but was not a star there at any point. D-Rob was drafted 7 slots higher than Warren Sapp was and Sapp was a star at a major program at the time that he starred there. ??? Dustin Keller projected to be a star TE (traded up into the 1st to get him) despite lack of size and blocking ability. Trading up into the 1st for a 6'2" TE is kind of like trading a 1st round pick to get a one dimensional TE that his former team is looking to trade. Shonn Greene projected to be a star (traded 3 picks to snag him at the top of the 3rd) when he came out of a school that routinely produces average or worse NFL backs despite great college performance. Iowa has never produced a star NFL RB despite having many great college backs. Mike Nugent projected to be a long-term star kicker (2nd round pick!) Derrick Strait projected to be a starting NFL CB despite 4.65 speed... Victor Hobson... The Jets spend a lot of time and value making picks that don't work out up high. I'm not going to add Kyle Wilson and Kenrick Ellis to the list because some guys just don't work out and while you can make the case for both of those guys being busts based on where they came from you can also make the case for both of them working out. I'm not going to add Vernon Gholston to the list because he was the obvious pick on the 6 in 2008. He was a bust but the bust was not due to the Jets doing a particularly bad job of evaluating him, it was due to the NFL doing a particularly bad job of evaluating him and then Gholston just not showing up to play after he landed on the Jets. From 2001 to 2012 the Jets acquired 8 long-term NFL starters out of 21 1st and 2nd round picks. That's going to leave a mark on a franchise. 2001 - Santana Moss 2004 - Jonathan Vilma 2006 - Nick Mangold, D'Brickashaw Ferguson 2007 - Darrelle Revis, David Harris 2011- Muhammad Wilkerson 2012 - Quinton Coples I'm giving them Coples because I think he clearly has the potential to be a long-term starter and he has actually started most of the Jets games this year.
I agree we've drafted poorly but I think Ellis and Davis deserve more credit. Ellis is a starting NT on almost every team but us. He's a positive player and grades very well. He just happens to be behind a top 3 NT. Davis also has played well. A bit above average but has improved alot and is only a second year player. His speed has helped us a lot this year.
You all need to realize that this awful drafting may not improve as Terry Bradway is the Senior director of college scouting. He obviously will have a lot of input into our selections and that is a dangerous thing. He could have a big influence on how this roster looks next year and that should scare the hell out of everyone. I wouldn't put the future of my fantasy football draft in Bradway's hands let alone the future of an NFL franchise.
I don't know exactly why, but it seems over the years the Jets have drafted "upside" and "project" drafts as opposed to PRODUCTION. I am in sales, and when I interview sales candidates, some can leave a fantastic first impression and then not give you any production when they arrive. I like to see an entire portfolio of their past sales accomplishments as well as stacked rankings at their last company. When you see guys drafted like Ducassse and Hill, you wonder to yourself where is the production? I am not impressed when I see things like "blazing speed off the line" and shit like "this guy is a mauler in the trenches". How? Where are the touchdowns? Where is the tape of them stopping the BEST DE's and DT's in college football? I just don't get it. If they do decide to draft heavily into offensive players this year, I hope to God they draft people with good production against good talent instead of height, speed and other things that will give you another Stephen Hill.
There's an art to drafting just right. You have to be able to look at a player's past, particularly the context of his past, and then envision his future. You can't just take guys who produced in the past without looking at the context they produced in. A big fish in a small pond might still be a big fish in the NFL but the odds are a lot longer on him finding stardom when the pond becomes the NFL ocean. You can't project too much on guys who were complimentary players in college no matter where they played. If the guy was a complimentary player in college the odds are overwhelming that his ceiling in the NFL is at the same level. If he doesn't have players around him to play off of he probably won't make it at all. You have to hit it just right. The guy needs to have production, and be a self-starter and also have the potential to step it up at the next level. The NFL graveyard is littered with the corpses of college stars who couldn't find the inches they needed to play in the NFL. The Jets problem over the last decade plus is that they don't evaluate talent well in terms of looking at college production and then translating what it means at the NFL level. They not only have that fundamental flaw but they also tend to trade up and double-down on their bets in the process. Expensive free agents have masked a lot of the issues from time to time but they can't hide the mediocrity of the Jets scouting department over the years. The talent pool has been mediocre most of the time because that's what the Jets have drafted, mediocre players.
Very impressed with the 2013 draft class. Richardson was phenomenal, Milliner playee fantastic the past month and Geno is showing flashes. Give him some weapons and we might have a winner.
The Jets need the type of offensive player 10 year old kids who live in Missouri ask their parents to buy their jersey for them.
2013 Jet do-over 1st round: Cordarelle / Warmack(?), Sheldon 2nd: Eddie Lacy / Kiko Alonso (or Geno?) 3rd: Keenan Allen (alternates: Jordan Reed / Glennon(?))
i wouldn't say milliner was "fantastic" the past month. lets just say he was much more competitive and looked like he belonged on an NFL field. i need to see him get his head around and pick up the ball more - he is playing the receivers eyes and arms, without getting his head around. this type of move definitely belongs in his toolbox, but he cannot rely on this all the time. its impossible to do that consistently without getting flagged, if ur timing is off.
Dont forget to mention Brian Winters who played very capably for a ROOKIE campaign & Tommy Bohanon who did the same. Very curious (just curious, BTW) to see what Aboushi & Campbell could possibly offer after a full season on the roster & a 2nd training camp.
gotta add mackenzie in 2001 even though his stay was one contract worth. a brutal list nonetheless - the going minimum target rate for LT starters, using a 7 round draft, is 28.5%, 2/7ths. teams feel the need/pressure to get at least 2 starters from every draft - within 2 years of selecting them. for 2013 we have already exceeded that threshold. hopefully that trend continues.
McKenzie was a 3rd round pick. The 8 out of 21 is 1st and 2nd rounders, which is just an amazing amount of fail for the high picks. And for some reason the Jets were trading up to do that, because "high picks are less likely to fail" or something like that. You want to hear a real "I failed" list? Kareem McKenzie Chris Baker B.J. Askew Derrick Strait Sione Pouha Anthony Schlegel Eric Smith Shonn Greene Kenrick Ellis That's the Jets 3rd round picks from 2001 to 2011. AYFKM? What the hell is the Jets scouting department doing on Saturdays in the fall? Strippers at the local club?
Mine: 1) Kenny Vacarro, Sheldon 2) Robert Woods (OK, maybe stick with Geno. Still love me some Robert Woods) 3) Keenan Allen/Steadman Bailey
