You can change anything you want on this franchise, it stays the same, the Jets are just a piss poor franchise, they've been that way long before Woody Johnson, and will be long after. Woody doesn't make player's suck, and if he didn't care about winning, why'd he get Rodgers, or Favre, he tried to get the Jets their own stadium. The problem is the Jets play in a major market, and they're under a constant microscope.
I don't think it matters if born into wealth or being "self made." Actually, if you think about it, self made billionaires might be more ruthless. Take a look down in Carolina. THAT guy has the Carolina Panthers in Jets land now. Talk about a shit show. From what I read the ENTIRE building wanted Stroud, Tepper wanted Young. Young gets drafted (the owner always wins) and Frank Reich pays the price when they guy he wanted tears up the league while the guy Tepper wanted probably shouldn't be in the NFL. Young is this year's Wilson. Unfortunately, the NY Jets will NEVER amount to anything while the Johnson family owns this team. What, you didn't think anything would change with Woody's death, right? The team will just be handed off to one of the heirs who has even less attachment to reality and was fully indoctrinated and raised in the world of wealth and all the fantasy that goes along with that.
There’s also a blend of owners that are heavily involved (Jeffrey Laurie comes to mine) and those who people don’t even know by name (Steve Bisciotti - Ravens, Jody Allen, Paul Allen’s sister - Seahawks) that have success. The bottom line is whatever Woody’s been doing for the past 13 years has been dogshit and he needs to go hire a big time VP of Football Operations and just drink and enjoy the games while the football guys do the football work. Whether it’s Woody meddling or his proxies *cough* Hymie *cough*. I wonder how much money and resources we have in scouting, analytics, etc. compared to other teams.
This. Clearly not enough because our scouting and draft evaluators are complete dog shit. I mean a HS kid could draft better than the Jets do year after year after year. There's no doubt we need a proven VP of FO in here asap. Also it's not a coincidence that the Philly Eagles draft guys from Georgia ( a lot of Georgia guys) and they're mostly showing out in the pros helping contribute to one of the most successful teams in the league. Well no shit. They also showed out like no one else in college too and we're on top there. At the most basic level, draft evaluators should be looking at the best studs from the top schools. It's really that simple before it gets more complex the deeper you dive in. The Jets seem to never do this past round 1 or even in round 1. They almost always go with these off the wall selections which set this franchise back perpetually. The only time they don't is when it's ultra obvious picks like Sauce and Wilson. A blind monkey could make those picks. The Jets need to stop throwing away draft picks (with bad selections). If they just used the consensus big board (The Jets big board sucks every year so I don't want to hear that!) we would literally be one of the better rosters in the league already. Sorry for the rant but their draft strategy and talent evaluators flat out SUCK.
You mean drafting guys who padded their stats playing against borderline D2 talent isn't the way to go? Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk
I want to dispute this point only to say, that this is not logical. I am saying that a dude with money, is a dude with money. The NFL isn't that picky. Besides, why would the NFL NOT approve a slow billionaire, you don't think the other owners wouldn't sign up for that? He will always be the mark in that room. The second part I want to tread lightly here, because I respect the noble mission of US Ambassador to Britian, but uh, he was appointed by one of the dumbest criminals in the history of the world. A person so devoid of common sense and decency that he only became President to make money. Anyway, I just wanted to say ye logic is a bit off.
Lol agreed about who he was appointed by, but regardless, if it was just about taking his money, there's plenty of donors who don't get to go spend four years overseas as part of the administration. As far as the first part of your statement, that is even less logical. There are other billionaires, there are no shortage of people who would buy an NFL team. They are not looking for morons they can take advantage of, they are all in business together.
I thought we were talking what caliber to plunk Joe d in his big arse for presenting us with this sad sad excuse for an offense
It’s Woody. It’s always been Woody. He is the problem. I disagree with those who think Woody doesn’t care about winning. He does. He just doesn’t have a clue how to do it.
I don't remember the source but I remember seeing something in the past month or two about how we have one of the smallest analytics departments in the NFL.
We pick bad players but I could argue the even bigger issue is we pick the wrong position groups high in the draft over and over. How many goddamn DL have we taken in the first round over the past 10-15 years? There's no way we don't lead the league in that. To make matters worse, it's mostly been interior DL guys, a position group analytics say is one of the least impactful in the game. Since 2011, we've spent 7 first round picks on DL. SEVEN. In 12 years. It's absolutely insane. We are completely clueless. These things are all related - not enough analytics which leads to bad draft picks and personnel moves which leads to bad teams. We've been trying the "ground and pound and a good defense" bullshit for 15 years, it's gotten us absolutely nowhere, and for some reason we just keep doing it. This braindead philosophy has also spilled over to our OC and HC moves.
The problem with the Jets has always been that they have bad luck - you need luck to find a franchise QB and you never know where they are going to come from - could be a #1 overall pick or could be the last guy taken in the draft or a UDFA - you need luck and the Jets have none and as a result they have never had a true franchise QB - a 10+ year starter that you can build a team around - there have been plenty of completely shit teams and pretty much all of them have turned a corner when they get the right guy under the centre (just look at the Jags, or the Texans for two recent examples of how much different a QB makes) - the one time the Jets were in a position to get that franchise changing player they manage to screw it up - look at the Patriots - as soon as they realised Jones wasn't the guy they put in Zappe and went full tank mode and will come out of this season with the #1 or #2 pick - the Jets coaches and FO are fighting for their lives and know it is now to late to tank and so we will end up picking outside the top 5 and again get a CB or a DL - anyone could be the owner of this team and we would get wins IF we had a good QB, doesn't need to be Mahomes just needs to be a top 10 ranked guy but I honestly believe it will never happen as this franchise is snakebitten
Someone posted the Jets staff and we have a ticket sales force of like 100+ people and Nagle pointed out that we have like 4 analytics guys. It’s hilarious.
It's not even that man. We had a franchise QB sitting in our lap with Lawrence and we decided it'd be better for the long-term future of the franchise to win a meaningless game rather than draft him. We are braindead to the core as an organization.
but that's the thing - only the Jets would be so unlucky as to win that meaningless game - so many things had to go wrong for them to win it but its the luck of the Jets - I swear this team is cursed
