Not to put word's in GH's mouth.....the 'Shit my Pants" comment...assures he would draft Dez. Let's stop this nonsense, Dez Bryant isn't going to fall to the Jets.
Yea when I was typing that question he must of edited his post adding he would drop a deuce on himself. Sounds good to me.
My vote is trade down pretty much 90% of the time, but there comes a point when value is just too strong to do it. Dez Bryant is a serious player, and a team would have to blow me away to make any trade happen. That said, if he gets to like #20 or so, there's no way a team doesn't make a move well before the Jets get a chance to take him. Statements like the one that said he had to be constantly pushed to go to class are ridiculous. At least that means he WENT to class. If he would have went to a number of other schools you'd have never heard about it, because the university wouldn't have cared if he went or not. He didn't shoot anyone, he didn't get arrested, he just didn't like to go to class. Hell, no one likes to go to class. And yes, I added in the defecation portion of the post, didn't think I'd made it clear enough before.
I understand what your saying and respect your opinion you are a very knowledgeable poster. At the same time his situation this past year is a red flag and very similar to another former less talented but also highly praised college WR. The one from USC hailed the next Keyshawn Johnson aka Mike Williams also missed an entire year of playing college ball and also came into the draft with negative reports. Every situation is different but you can't say that this past year isn't a red flag. I wouldn't mind Golden Tate because he can be an excellent slot WR where a talent like Dez Bryant is better suited to be a starting WR and rightfully so. If we raped a desperate team and received premium value for the 29th pick in a draft this deep we can fill out our horrendous depth in the trenches which to me is the most important. WRs don't win games the players in the trenches do. Especially since we can fill the role with a Golden Tate who would play the same role as Dez Bryant this year anyways along with the fact the lack of ammo we have had in the past few drafts I don't see how that is such a bad thing in my opinion.
Was typing up my post didn't see this one either. You have good points but I wouldn't be surprised if a team was desperate enough to give us high value for the pick. There are a lot of bad WR corps in the NFL.
The same argument you made for taking Tate later after a trade down rather than Bryant could be used to say why not take a kid in the 4th or 5th to play that role instead of Tate. The reason to take Bryant isn't because the Jets need to add a receiver early, it's simply because he's too good to pass up. As for it being a red flag, I don't believe that it is. The NCAA screwed a kid that made a simple mistake, just like it always does. Bryant also didn't miss nearly the same amount of time that BMW did, he played through the spring practice, summer workouts, and the first three games of the season. And, in those games he was showing signs that he was going be just as dominant as he was last year. Plus, the negative reports Williams had was that he didn't have the speed to play in the NFL, or that maybe he needed to be a TE. Dez's only negatives are people that don't understand what happened magnifying these "personal issues". I don't see it, and I don't really care. Bryant is a top ten talent, and if he's there at 29, he's the pick.
I'm pretty sure Mick wants Pouncey to play guard. Honestly, I would trade back. If Bryant drops to 29 then I doubt there would be any lack of suitors and the Jets could recoup a few more draft picks.
The same way we can use a WR to replace Tate in the 4th and 5th rd we can take it a step further by trading the 29th pick for a young and a much more proven WR who will always be superior to him in the NFL. That bad ass in Denver you know who instead of getting Bryant. Dez Bryant, similar to Michael Crabtree last year, may ask for a lot of money regardless of where hes drafted because just like you said hes a top 10 talent and will want to be paid as such. Especially because the suspension wasn't anything malicious he just had a convo with Deoin. I wouldn't be shocked if a similar situation occurred since that suspension has potentially cost him millions. In a perfect world where he somehow fell to us, I will be happy with either Bryant because he is an awesome talent or a trade down. But I do agree with you 100% about one thing, someone will definitely move up to secure his services before we have a chance. Hell we might move up knowing trader Mike who knows.
i acknowledge that dez is an amazing talent....but i put more importance and priority in ensuring both lines. i think OL or DL would have a lot more of a positive result than WR. im all for trading down and getting more picks if he is there......but picking a WR when theres more pressing needs feels to much like the lions to me. calvin johnson is one heck of a talent....but its useless. obviously our team is no where near as bad as the lions.....but we would win more and lose less with both trenches in good standing
That'd be awesome. It would allow us to build in the trenches and grab a safety. I mean if Dez Bryant falls to 29 and no one is burning up the lines to trade up, he's gotta be the pick. He's the best wideout in the class.
The is third time...DEZ ISN'T FALLING TO 29..NO FUCKING WAY! Fantasyland continues in this thread...Jeez.
I'm all for taking someone like Mo Pouncey if a lot of prospects are gone by our pick, however, I'm hoping we trade back. I like a lot of ther mid-round offensive line talent...guys like Boston College's Matt Tennant, Illinois' Jon Asamoah, Tennessee's Chris Scott, Virginia Tech's Sergio Render, and Iowa's Kyle Calloway are prospects that can start in the NFL. Here's a player to keep an eye on towards the back of the second round: Stanford's Rodger Saffold. He can play tackle and guard. Outside of Saffold and Calloway, I don't really see many good right tackle prospects later in the draft. 2010 is definitely a draft where we can find an interior lineman to eventually replace Faneca.
Passing over Eric Berry for CJ Spiller should be grounds for GM termination. If the one hole on that team was at running back, I still don't see how taking Spiller at six could be justified. BTW, I change my "collect a king's ransom" idea from the Bucs for Bryant to the Raiders for Bruce Campbell. Didn't notice his absence.
If taking a top ten WR at 29 over a 2nd round player who won't even be playing the position that makes him have that value means the Jets are the second coming of the Lions, then just call me Matt Millen. The Lions took 3 WRs in the top ten in consecutive years, the Jets would be drafting a kid at 29 after not taking a first round receiver in what, nine years? The Jets have to build depth by making good picks throughout the draft, if 28 teams HAND the Jets the chance to make their 1st rounder an outstanding one, they can't turn it down. They can get OL and DL depth in other rounds, they can't match that value.
We have more than one pick in this draft. Later picks could obviously be used to add depth to both lines. The point is, the gap between Bryant, an elite talent, and the other WRs that'd be available in rounds 2-7 is huge...as compared to the gap between any lineman we'd pick at 29 and ones that'd be available mid-draft. This is a talent-rich draft. I sure hope there's a way that Bryant would fall to us...WW85 what do you think? :smile:
