227's Training Camp Report for 8/1

I haven't thought about Stuckey in that way yet, vilmatic, but at the risk of oversimplifying because of the limited, early looks at the guy, Yes. And without checking his dimensions compared to Santana, even his stature looks Moss-like. He's a smallish receiver but extremely athletic. Terrific hands and juking moves like Washington after the catch. Speed looks good too. I'll eat my Section 227 hat if Mangini doesn't keep him.

To be honest, I haven't had a good enough look at goal-line thumping, vilmatic. But what I've been reading on Barnes is good, so that's a good guess. But Jones is such a north-south guy (he really is) that I see nothing wrong with him going for it on 4th and goal, especially if our O-line continues developing and gelling. Adriene Clarke is one, big, wide dude in person. Kendall is taller and perhaps more intimidating in appearance than Clarke, but Clarke is heavier and chunkier... would have to be a real bitch to have to face on the line. And placed between D'Brick and Mangold, the left side looks good to me. Again, though, I'm no line expert and would rather defer details on that to others who study it more.

 

I know there's a dedicated Revis thread, but since his name came up here I have one comment (a personal opinion, really) on Revis: Mangini wasn't bullshitting the other day when he said Revis is missing out on a lot.

In fact, if there's one thing I come away from with these sessions, it's that Revis wasn't there again. Every day that Revis is not in camp is becoming a huge loss in his development, IMO. I can't believe Tanny can't get him into camp. Kurt and I speculated there has to be something more to this than simply the 5-6 years issue, as reported constantly.

There is a lot of work and valuable training going on out there... a lot of learning. The coaches are all active... all hands on, always talking, barking, reminding, etc. And with the longer sessions (almost 3 hours yesterday, counting the tail-end of the 2nd team 11 on 11's, this is going on non-stop from beginning to end, with Mangini personally wandering about taking notes and talking to players/coaches.

My concern now is, with every passing TC session, that Revis is going to fall behind on the curve. I don't care how much raw talent the kid has, he's missing out on HUGE amounts of developmental advice with every hour that goes by, not to mention just the hands on practice of catching KR's, for example. He's missing out on all those drills that the other DBs are benefitting from. Enough said, but damn it Tanny, we need to get this resolved ASAP!

 

Well, there's been some speculation that Revis could possibly start this year opposite Dyson. The expectations have been that high.

All I'm saying is, Revis is missing a lot out there. I should have qualified my statement better by adding, "if there's one NEGATIVE thing I come away from with these sessions, it's that Revis wasn't there again." I'm not saying all the others aren't getting good quality time, and it's certainly very positive, what's going on with all the others.

But make no mistake about it. Revis is missing out on a lot of early camp experience, especially because he's a rookie and especially because it seems Mangini has lengthened the sessions. Anyone with high hopes of Revis being a starter has to see those chances diminishing slightly with every passing day.

 

Yeah, that's a huge concern. I just read this morning where Moss may have injured himself at NE's camp. He sat out the afternoon session but it didn't sound like anything serious because he walked off the field.

And with Revis, we're just seeing what he's missing out on the practice field every day. What about what he's missing on a lot of classroom stuff as well, and the videos taken from 3 angles... all the help the coaches could be giving him in coverages and skills... the mental stuff... just being able to talk to the other guys.

I guess I'm just getting antsy waiting around for him to come into camp, not to mention I'd selfishly have liked to watch him yesterday, so I was secretly hoping something was going to get resolved by Tuesday night.

 

Thanks for all the kudos, guys. It's always a fun day at TC, especially if you can hook up with some other Jets fans and bounce ideas around. I'll try to go again soon and perhaps some of you can join us. And thanks again. This is my last post in this thread unless someone else has a question about something.

 

If Wednesday and Sunday morning was any indication, Brad Smith is getting a lot of reps... probably at least as many as TuiWhateverTF. Yesterday it was pretty much a Chad, Clemens and Smith show, although Tui did take a couple here and there.

I don't know if he's legitimately pushing the #2 position though. They've got him so busy doing so many other things, he's running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Clemens is still in there an aweful lot and, while consistency is a problem still, he's trying to demonstrate his "command presence," particularly after Mangini made a comment about that very thing on Tuesday... something about he likes seeing a QB who corrects people if they're out of position.

Yesterday, before one snap, I think it was Alvin Banks (34) who was moving over to Clemens' left and apparently Clemens knew this was incorrect. So he actually shoved Banks to the right and barked at him. Of course, Mangini was right behind them all...

But Clemens has some nice passes and appears to run the offense fairly smoothly. I don't know, I think it would really take some doing for Smith to dislodge Clemens from the #2 slot. It's Clemens' to lose at this point, I think.

 

Jonathan_Vilma: I think I'm going to open up another thread tomorrow, about QBs. It's an ongoing thing, but I'm more than a little concerned about a couple of things, which I'll talk about then.